kashmiri pandits’s struggle
Kashmiri pandits are hindu minority population of Kashmir.Kashmiri Hindu community is a very peaceful community,crime free,with a literacy rate of 100% and are followers of peace and non-voilence.The origin and history of Kashmiri hindus traces back to thousands of years and are the original inhabitants of Kashmir and have lived in kashmir since thousands of years.However today this minority community is at the receiving end from both Terrorists backed by pakistan and Indian government who have constantly ignored them since the independance of India mainly because of vote bank politics…Kashmiri pundits were forced to migrate to different pats of India by terrorists backed by pakistan….thousands of kashmiri pandits were murdered by these terrorists on the name of freedom struggle, within a short span of 3-4 months in 1990, which triggered the infamous migration to different parts of globe…Kashmiri pandits have been struggling all these years(18+ years) for their basic fundamental rights…. their right to live and die in Kashmir as their ansestors used to live and die…..Kashmiri pandits though minority in population have contributed a lot in different feild such as education,commerce,Judiciary system,politics,Health sector,Engineering feild,humanitarian work..etc..
As followers of peace and non-voilence,Their struggle has often been misinterpreted by sections of people who advocate voilent ways for attaining objectives…. kashmiri pundits struggle for peace and justice is a struggle of good over evil..If you beleive in the philosophy of peace and non-voilence…. if you beleive in philosophy of freedom of expression….If you beleive in humanity and justice..then support kashmiri pundits…..in their struggle for justice..create awareness..
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“Better late than never”.
Like any other Kashmiri Hindu I have been a calm spectator of the sufferings of kashmiri Pandits .At the same time I was keen to keep my eyes and ears open to know what is happening in Valley Vs sufferings of the fast dying community (Kashmiri pandits).
I want to go back into history and see what is it that all of us are missing and reasons for sufferings of Kashmiri Hindus. History clearly indicates the decent of Kashmiri pandits had started form decades ago and that lack of Governments and even the pandit’s zeal to do any thing about it.
In my child hood I have witnessed antinationalism on its helm and the small example is the celebrations when ever India would loose to Pakistan in a game of cricket and morn when India would win.
This truth kept haunting us from last 45 years and our elders/Leaders could not get together and asked this question to concerned authorities that what is the price that Kashmiri Pandits as a community will have to pay for being nationalist and be proud of Tri-colour.
Ultimately not first time but for the third time all Kashmiri pandits had to pay through their nose to be recognized as Indians all over world. 1989 saw us anguished getting killed brutally and we had no choice but to run for our lives.
I don’t blame our community but it was a shame for the entire governance in India to see the pro Indians as refuges in their own country. The people who once owned the valley where forced to sleep on roadside and people who kept the Indian flag flying High in the valley were left into the hands of uncertainty and are forced to extinct.
Talk of today’s event where mainstream political parties are talking of dual control of valley and are advocating the duel currency this is clearly the failure on the New Delhi’s part who did not respond to the aptly and adequately. Weak governance leads to the week Nation.
The cultural fabric of Kashmir is lost the latest example is the revolt on the Amaranth Ji. land transfer. What massage does it carry one needs to be much thought full of the situation and decide?
Amongst all we as the descents of the valley need to ask.
1. It is not only the Kashmiri Muslims who aught to decide the future of the valley. Kashmiri Pandits have equal right to do so.
We need to go beyond creating websites/NGO and come on the fore front. I don’t desire to be a leader but my humble request to all the Kashmiri Pandits youth not to repeat the mistake that our elder did and ask the authorities and use legitimate media to ask the right question.
Why are we being deprived of the right to give our opinion and rights about future of valley.
“Otherwise many revolts like Amaranth Ji are waiting to happen. “
https://mehakraina.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/26/
U r correct. I wish I can take part in an uprising If one takes place.
Dear Ranjeet Koul.
You are correct we have to do some thing beyond creating websites/NGO and come on the fore front. If the people like you will come forward definitively
some thing will happen if you think to do something seriously please mail at pkyf@rediffmail.com.
I am not a Kashmiri Pandit but I truely understand your problems. Also, I think its a more widespread problem. Islamic fundamentalism is like a virus. Why don’t they just ask themselves a question as to why they have problems with everyone, be it Hindu, Christian, Jew, Buddhists. Anyone intelligent would be able to conclude that they are the problem. India has tolerated them for centuries. The Indus river after which this great country is named after is in Pakistan now. That’s a shame.
A true Hindu loves all be it a Muslim. Jew, Christian, etc. But we shall liquidate all terrorists nevertheless no one can use us. No agenda can penetrate us since India is a great independent nation.I am a Kshatriya (Rajput) from Jammu and my views on Kashmir Kashmiri Pandits, etc- Kashmir and Kashmiris be careful of the children of Abraham the Semites mainly the Jew. The Jews have often been kicked out of every country they lived in. These people are known for manufacturing history, corrupting people, making them greedy as well. They penetrate countries by using false names, etc. They also look for illiterate or semi-educated people as a front to push fake data. Jews are often afraid of educated and people with a personality I love the Jews like all people but the Jews have an agenda globally mainly due to insecurity. The Jews who settled in India are more confident. Yet Hitler and the Nazis though fellow Aryans were not human in our culture but beasts.
PARTS IN OF HISTORY OF KASHMIR
1) Read Rajataringini of Kalhana, Jonaraja and Srivara. This tells you all. Also read the brilliant scholar Mohibbul Hasan. Kashmir is the crown of Aryavarta. Read brilliant people like Pandit Anand Koul. Thus Kashmiri Brahmins and also Kashmiri Muslims (most are converts from Kashmiri Hindus) have pure Aryan roots.
2) Islam came to Kashmir in some form during the reign of Shahmira of Rajouri. He married his family to the Hindu Kashmiri nobles of that period.
3) Pork and not beef was consumed during Hindu rule.
4) Sangramraja defeated Mahmud of Ghazni.
5) The Mughals were defeated soundly by Yusuf Chak a recent Shia convert from Gurez. His relatives Shankar, Pandu Chak were physical giants and great fighters. Note Kashmiris always had tiny numbers.
6) The Afghans came in mainly by internal aid and mostly had Kashmir Pandit administrators. Earlier the Afghans of Ahmad Shah Durrani were humiliated by the Kashmiri troops led by Raja Sukh Jiwan Mal.
7) The Jat-Sikhs were brought in by Pandit Birbal Dhar aided by the great Rajput Gulab Singh Jamwal. Pandit Ayodhya Prasad a Kashmiri Brahmin was a commander of Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s elite troops then.The Kashmiris were neutral then since the later Afghans had become tyrants.
8) Rest is known and POK will be liberated one day. Kashmiri Brahmins (I know them very well) will return with dignity. Your numbers are just too small thus multiply only with your own community to increase numbers and retain your ethnic purity. We Rajputs wish our Kashmiri Pandit brothers well. Be carefull of the internet it is being used to spread false data to confuse people.
I am not a pandit and I cannot say that I can ever understand what has been your plight. But I am a concerned citizen of this country. I am writing here to tell you that Benazir Bhutto will be given the United Nations Human Rights Award posthumously on Dec 10. I have already written to the UN asking that why has she been chosen. I urge you all to send an email to them as well. It wont stop her from getting the award but at least we can make an effort in telling the world that she was not a champion of Human Rights as she is being portrayed.
What does this have to do with Kashmir?
i have a plan to get back kashmir.if u kashmires realy ready to do any thing than most welcome.my email id is (reenaysingh@gmail.com)
belive me it’s posible………….
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Dear Pandits Brothers,
I don’t want to hurt your sentiments .But as Kashmiri Muslim who has being brought up in kashmir.Truth is truth making stories will not lead you any where to be quite honest you have made tremendous mistakes in the past .During the pa than , Sikh and Dogra rule you made life of the muslim so miserable that they have to leave the place permantely to settle elsewhere.To this accusation that your main profession which still exist is ‘Money lending”This way you looted thousands of property and land of muslims.Because the poor muslim could not repay your debt.You where hand in gloves with above tyrant rulers.During the Famines of 1831 and 1877 to 1879.You played on the helplessness of Kashmiri Muslims that they had no option but to leave their homes and villages permanently their property were seized by kashmiri pandits.I have my own story I got the job at than Grindlays bank srinagar.The majority of employee were kashmiri pandits .They treated me so badly that i had to apply for the job in middleeast.Particulerly Mehindernath Raina ,V N Gurtoo and their gang in the EMPLOYEES UNION.I know someting came from my heart and within few years their was annihilation of the Kashmiri pundits. If you ask anybody in the world even Indians they have got negative attitudes towards you.Even Indians have got sayings “If their is the snake and kashmiri pandits coming towards you first kill the Kashmiri Pandit and than the snake”Many Indian friends have told me like this.Case is that of the Neerja Matto.A student who was killed mercilessly.IN DELHI
Hello Imtiaz,
Are you son of late Mr.Gulam Nabi(Deposits Officer) in Grindlays Bank.Your father was very close to me and we both respected each other.I hope you too will have respect for all those who do good to all.You know there are a very few people who think ill of others .They have no religion.You can find them in Hindus, Muslims,Christains,Sikhs etc. etc.Never mind petty things.Thank almighty Allah who gave you a better job opportunity in Middle East.Every one can’t dream of better life.Be greatful to Almighty.
your ex. colleague of Grindlays Bank
ML Dewani
San Francisco,
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What a bunch of nonsense. To have muslims crying foul of being mistreated is the ultimate irony. Reach back into your history (all over the world actually) and take account of how badly muslims have treated others. And India has been the biggest casualty of muslim invaders. Discrimination happens everywhere, including within India and among Hindus too. That’s human nature I suppose. But forget history – have a look at my other post on the next course. That is: any muslim can leave kashmir but they will not take an inch of land with them. Go to the disaster next door if you want. Be thankful you are where you are. Try fighting to take back the rest of kashmir stolen from India; then you’ll see how much better things could be for you. But if you fight to separate be prepared to suffer the consequences.
Your views are dangerous and full of distortion and bias. You have a personal grievance which you are attempting to put into an historical context. More respect and tolerance is needed.
All the stuff up there are no stories. That is the reality. Ok let’s assume that Pundits did not help u Muslims during famines but that doesnt mean u kill all , make them Change religion , chase them out of valley. Do u know there were less than 5 families left. They practise own religion secretly
Muslims have been living in Kashmir for only last 500 – 600 yrs .
Dear Imtiyaz,
I take strong objections to your comments made towards Kashmiri pandits. It may be true that you were treated badly by some Kashmiri pandits but that gives you no right to stereotype them or make perverted comments like to call or justify their annihilation, there will be plenty of people in your life like friends and family who might have given you a hard time, will you think about them in the same way….I am sure you will not!!!
I agree with you that Kashmiri pandits always collaborated with the occupiers, be it pathans, sikhs and dogras, infact in dogra regime no muslim could apply for a Govt job nor join the army, which explains why Kashmiri muslims had such a low literacy rate as there was no incentive to study.A Kashmir pandit having a middle school education was guaranteed a govt job during dogra rule.
The point I am trying to make is that there is plenty of blame to go around but will that end our problems. We should end blame game and respect each other and find ways to integrate again.It has happened in the past during the reign of Zain-ul-Abideen (Budshah) and I see no reason why it cannot happen again. The only thing is that we have to make it happen by finding common ground between the two communities and by injecting some optimism in our lives.
Regards,
Umar
good work, i really liked the blog
Dear Umar Sheikh,
Really appreciate your comments, poeple like you will certainly unite us one day…..
Regadrs
Dear Umar and Imtyaz
How how different you views are.The whole of India has suffered due to this kind of thinking.Current political seen in India is as diverse as both of your views are like.
May be Pundits would have treated Muslims badly in past but so are the muslims doing to pundits now. So where is the difference ? Any way neither Muslims are at peace in Kashmir.
Only way out is Full integration with the rest of India and be partners in the prosperity and growth.
kashmiri pandits…
Naam hi kaafi hai……..
Sahi bola apne aayushi sharma kashmiri pandits ka naam hi kaafi hein .
Well well well some people have got a huge heart burn here atleast what i ll say….
Mr.Pandits the first thing no one forced u to leave the valley…Forgot the venomous plan of Governor Jagmohan who had planned to cleanse Kashmir n make it hindu majority state???
there are pandit families still living in prosperity here in the Valley amid all the chaos no one harmed them….yeah Kashmiri pandits were killed some time back….n guess who killed them INDIAN ARMY(witnesses were Kashmiri Pandits only who were later gagged to silence)
Kashmiri pandits have contributed to kashmir in the field of academics to such an extent that praising it in a few words will be an insult to it….but at the same time people from the same community exploited poor Muslim Kashmiri Peasants in the name of Jagirdari,forced labour n all….
So, better look at your flaws first & please dont spread any false propaganda that you were whipped out of Kashmir….
How many Kashmiri pandits have lost their lives becoz of the turmoil since 89 ???It is 219(TWO HUNDRED NINETEEN) while as the number of Kashmiri Muslims killed since 89 is 100,000 (One Lakh)…
So,who has suffered??
i think u r wrong idreas.totally wrong most propably . there r so many kashmiri pandits families who were killed. Those who were not killed were forced to convert into muslims by the kashmiri muslims. those who did not convert into muslims had to escape from there and migrate to differrent places in india.many had to go abroad also.so u r noone to blame we kasmiri pandits.u all muslims had made the life of kashmiri pandits hell on earth .and i m sorry if i have hurt the feelings of any of the kashmiri muslims or any1.
And not to forget becoz of the crocodile tears u cry all over India the Government of India has given you a special reservation every where called the MIGRANT QUOTA…..
And Kashmiri Muslims have also got a special Quota India Calls it TERRORIST QUOTA….
i totally agree with u
Govt statistics claim 16,000 lives have been lost in J&k during last 20 years of insurgency…Dead men don’t talk and don’t reproduce especially when in Graves…or do they?
Dude look inside,the so called leaders like Yasin malik and Old fox geelani have made a killing out of Azadi movement much to your disappointment.How come yasin Malik has become a owner of a shopping mall.What is his mode of income?If you don’t know do some digging.
Geelani sahib kya kya kehna.Old man still draws his pension as being an former MLA of kashmir and he is supposedly fighting a jihad against India..what an irony!!
stop telling your filmy lines about kashmiri pandits..Jagirs and jagirdars..these are all cock and bull stories and have nothing to do against facts..
Dude,who is controlling the carpet trade in Kashmir.Merchants who were either syeds or muftis..you want to see discrimination, go and see how much local artisans are getting for making kaleen and how much syeds and muftis are getting..that is what I call discrimination…
I dont take Yasin Malik as a leader he is an Indian parolee so is so called Mirwaiz..why doesnt INdia expose them if they know every thing about them who owns what n bla bla crap??? becoz they are the same people who have been strategically placed to quell the Freedom Struggle…Geelani used to take pension he clarified that 2 years back n i dont support Geelani either…
Jagirdari system was abolished by sheikh Abudullah thats the only good thing he did for kashmir…
India still is desperate to change the demography of Kashmir the latest stunt being the 8% job reservation bill…but Insha Allah India will never succeed in its dirty plans….
Dont talk shit here i know the cheap bureaucracy Indian babus play with Kashmir….
Sir are you a kashmiri Muslim? May be yea. So let me know if you are so proud of yourself why haven’t you as a community has been able to produce Abdul kalam azad our ex president. You guys can talk day in and day out about what had happened with your ancestors. But have you ever thought of the day when your children will come into picture. What do you want to show them this burning picture of Kashmir.? Kashmir was a heaven once. We Indians want to restore the same and I bet you can’t stop 125 millions of us in doing so. Kyuki ye to Allah bhi kehte hai ki neki karne wale ke sath to khuda bhi jud jata hai…and jannat ko jannat banana konsi neki SE kam hai…aap chahe jitni bhi bure lafzo ko apna lo…chahe jitne gaali delo…ho to Bhai hi…chalo maaf kiya…I hope u realise your mistake before it’s too late…
Aizi Begam, 72, of Maisuma whose son Shabir Ahmad was among 52 persons who were massacred by CRPF troopers this day on January, 21,1990 at Gaw Kadal remembered him with tears, as people offered prayers, and shouted pro-freedom slogans at the spot to mark the massacre’s 17th anniversary.
“I am proud of my son. Before achieving martyrdom he saved lives of many people in the procession,” said Aizi, holding Shabir’s photograph, sobbing as her son Zahoor Ahmad consolded her.
“Troops fired many bullets at Shabir who came in way of a trooper firing indiscriminately at hundreds of unarmed peaceful protesters,” Zahoor said.
Aizi Begum’s only regret is that she couldn’t see Shabir’s face before he was buried. “Government had imposed a curfew after the incident. I wanted to kiss his head; she made a proud mother,” she said.
Scores of people, including the relatives of the victims offered prayers at the spot. A memorial in the form of a big canvas with image of a soldier pumping bullets with a machine gun in the chest of a civilian was hung from a wall near the massacre site. A graphic narration of the massacre has been drawn on the canvas.
Muhammad Yaqoob who lost his father Haji Ali Muhammad in the massacre said, “The people who were massacred were demonstrating against the molestation of women at Chotta Bazar a day before. They had marched on many streets peacefully and were demanding action against the troops accused of the molestation of the women, but when they reached Gaw Kadal, they were killed like flies.”
Yaqoob said his father had locked them up in their house and himself joined the protesters. “He told us ‘you stay at home, I will go with the protesters’. At home we heard continous rattle of fire and several hours later I went to the spot and saw the bodies lying on the bloodied road,” he said.
Zulima Mukhtar, sister of Abdur Rauf who took 52 bullets on his chest said, “It is high time we take the cause for which Rauf and 51 others laid their lives to its conclusion. But for that we must all be sincere.”
Where in Kashmir were pandits subjected to this kind of treatment…
During the Amarnath Land Row the same Kashmiri people who have been labelled as anti-National elements n terrorists fed hundreds of yatris while whole of Kashmir was shut …why dont you refer that????
This is height of Hypocrisy…..
You know what hurts most, when your own people go against you.Yaqoob,shabir and Aizi begum were allegedly killed by CRPF/armed forces.Were they Kashmiri’s? answer is “No”.I am sorry for all the killings and as a human being,I sympathize with the families of victims..
But who hounded Kashmiri Pandits when we were targeted in jan 1990 by the zealots who beleived they were waging Jihad, Who is Bitta Karate? is he a non-kashmiri.You should have watched him on TV.He was boasting his cowardly deeds of killing innocent and unarmed Kashmiri pandits as his duty.Duty towards whom? his masters in pakistan.who raped and cut sarla Bhatt,a nurse working with soura institute into two pieces? The culprits were all our blood brothers whose ancestors had changed their faith to Islam.
We were victimized by our own brothers.Not all of Kashmiri muslims are like them,but the majority kept mum ,because of the fear of gun..
Who are deciding and announcing whether KP’s should come back or not..people like sallaudin…who are primarily responsible for our exodus..I don’t doubt your intentions,you may be a very good man,but when it comes to decision making you are a mere helpless spectator…
we are both in the midst of a war,and both of us are on the opposites.you are right at your own place…but so am I…i
Azad
It never happened before 1989 and what ever happened in Elections one of the CRPF guys or Kashmiri Pandits where responsible if that happened at all. N.C your own People. What did we do ???????????????????????????? hundreds died in Jammu because of Sun Stroke .( Heat If you don’t know what it means ) what was there fault
Have you heard about the Ikhwan Raaj???Mum kana??the renegades let loose by Indian Govt. on Kashmiris???
That was the darkest phase in the history of Kashmir
That night was a misery. We heard his desperate cries, his pleas to spare his life, the heart rattling moans of his mother and echoing sobs of his hapless father. Amidst this helplessness and desperation he was taken. He must have been in the middle of a sweet dream as he was picked up from his bed to which he never returned. We all shut our doors and windows, swallowed even our murmurs and put off our lights, lest someone would take us and our near ones too – from our? Cosy beds. That family cried alone that night, no one could dare to go near that house – people feared for their own lives. A hazy morning turned into a bleeding one as the body of my neighbour – a young athletic boy was found in nearby “Malkah”. Ikhwanis did it we were told. That night terrorizes me still and the guilt of inaction on my part that night scolds my conscience every moment. I do not dare to look straight into the eyes of my deceased neighbour’s parents even now, more than fifteen years after that unfortunate incident!
This incident happened barely a few months after a relative of ours was murdered in the same circumstances by gunmen belonging to the same cult. A young handsome boy in his teens from Pampore was the only son of his noble parents. He was mercilessly dragged along the saffron fields on an ill-fated night and killed. Ikhwanis did their job well to let a family suffer for ever! Pampore, I am told, has seen more gruesome incidents than the one in which our relative was killed. Fields were decorated more often by human blood than by blossoming saffron flowers!
Were these boys defiants, stone pelters, or what? Gunmen I am sure, they were not. And even if they were – was this the way to deal with them? Did someone hear these boys ever? Where is justice? These uncomfortable questions would agitate me often but with time I learnt to digest these harsh anecdotes possibly. I got desensitized.
These two incidents were lying there in my memory shelf till I got to know about the infamous Moma Kanna and his famous Padma award. As TV channels flashed Kanna’s pictures, innocent faces of two boys smeared with blood who were killed by the likes of Moma Kanna stumbled from the shelf and flashed before my eyes. “For what fault were we killed”? they seemed to be asking. Before I could think of an answer to their query, another face appeared on the television in the inset picture with Kanna. This face, a well known Muslim intellectual, an ex-bureaucrat with the Jammu & Kashmir Govt., an expert on Kashmir affairs-was playing with words to explain his viewpoint for recommending Kanna for the prestigious Padma award. This person knows the trajectory of Kashmir’s tragedy, its giver, executer and its sufferer. He is supposed to be an interlocutor also. Can he pretend innocence? He has written a book on Kashmir – the theme I guess is peace. Awarding Moma Kanna a Padma is perhaps the first step towards achieving that peace!!! No wonder Kanna has been recommended!
We would not ask the politicians as to why they recommended Kanna. For them “Everything is fair in love and war”. In their love for power, they betrayed the nation, befriended the likes of Kanna and Kuka Parray and enjoyed the power over the powerless.
Ikhwani movement represents the darkest phase in the history of Kashmir. “Sarkar Nawaz Bandook Bardar” as Ikhwanis were popularly called, represented a special class of gunmen who could plunder, loot, rape or do as “Sarkar” wished them to. Their actions had a special “Sanction”. Their acts too barbaric for a civilized society were rewarded handsomely then, (they even made it to the Legislative Assembly) and are awarded now with Padma for instance. Thanks to those honourable civil servants who recommended them. The ones who forgot how Kashmiris helped them in their tragedies whether it was after near fatal accidents or other hiccups!
Sadam was hanged on an Eid day – his hanging gave all sensible Muslims a feeling of humiliation, subjugation and sprouted the thorns of hatred against America for which the seeds were sown much earlier and Moma Kanna, the Padma awardee, was honoured for massacring and torturing the innocent. What does the nation of India expect from Kashmiris?
And talking about Bitta Karate he is no role model for any sane Kashmiri adult…I condemn Killings of INNOCENT PEOPLE…..
I condemn the Killings of sikhs in chittisinghpora by allegedly unidendified gunmen(WHY WASNT AN INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED TO IDENDIFY THE CULPRITS)
I condemn the killing of bihari laborers in Mir Bazar Islamabad(Anantnag) again by unidentified gunmen why wasnt this probed when i ve personally met witnesses who CLAIM that the laborers were lined against the boundary wall of their house & murdered in cold blood by INDIAN ARMY by spraying N number of bullets on them…..
I condemn the killing & harassment of Kashmiri across this LARGEST DEMOCRATIC & SECULAR NATION of the world….
U cant forget a one Sarla Bhatt how can you expect us to forget hundreds of such or even worse incidents???
OFFICIAL STATEMENT:The Jammu and Kashmir government on March 24 2010 said 219 Kashmiri Pandits were killed by militants since 1989 while 24,202 families were among the total 38,119 families which migrated out of the Valley due to turmoil.
AND THIS FIGURE WAS PRESENTED BY RAMAN BHALLA…
As the present Govt. is to the root Pro-India dont gimme any crap that this FIGURE IS BIASED OR FALSE….
And According to the same report 808 Pandit families consisting of 3,445 people were still living in the Valley.THESE FAMILIES NEVER MIGRATED…..
Were these 808 families hurt or mistreated by anyone???
Obviously they were not otherwise THE GREAT INDIAN MEDIA would projected it as an issue of NATIONAL SECURITY n referred to such an event as TALBANISATION if GOD FORBID ANY SUCH EVENT HAD OCCURRED…
So dont go crying foul all over the world that you people were driven & whipped out of valley…
we have lost 1000 times more people than your community has…every single day somehow an innocent Kashmiri is slayed…
God Bless Kashmir & Kashmiris & Show Kashmiris the Right Path..
Amen
I am not a Kashmiri.But I am deeply troubled by the plight of Kashmiris be it Hindus or Muslims.Its not about religion.Its about humanity which seems lost.People are blaming each other based on what happned in the past but in this way it just becomes a vicious Circle.I dont know Kashmir should be independent or in India.I just know it should be peaceful, where children can play like every other part of the world.Where innocents are not killed because of mortar shelling across the border.I just pray to God for that day to come soon.& I really liked ur views.Hope every single person on this earth thinks based on humanity & not religion
I salute idreas 4 his views.. Its writting written on walls dat sum 2lac kashmiri innocent muslims have been cold murdered by so called protectors of d nation(indian forces).. who is gona repay for that… if you have 1 women raped(sarla bhatt).. Indian forces have raped thousands of kashmiri daughters.. If you have got tens of kashmri pandiths killed we have given lacs of youth massacered… If you have some dozen of children orphaned we have got thousands of children orphaned.. And much more… Its all due to indian’s draconian laws to muzzele the voice of kashmiris.. How long will they continue doin this wid us.. You people just cry a foul for your return and dont think about the fate of kashmit nation..it has been done by your own puppet Jagmohan that you were forced to leave kashmir.. Why you people forget that kashmiris kept you people always standing on thie chests rathet than land… InshAllah no sooner we will achieve freedom… Aameen… N no ill power can stop us…we are having Global power and dats Allah with us.. Mind you people..
My reply is to Mr.Qazi T, this is actully true very disappointed that people in Kashmir has suffered badly so are the people from other parts of world,armed conflict always come with all these odds. Can any one be sure that no civilion was killed when PAK army raided wazirstan or Lankan army raided Jafna.But can we really think and understand who is respobile for blood shed in kashmir, who has invited Indian Army from barracks and borders to deep into villages and every street of srinagar. Has any one seen army in such a fashion before 1989.
yes there is a cause, but same could be resolved with non voilent movement also. why blood every where.Even if we think army man is also son, brother,father of some human being and they would get the same pain as others get.
For crimes done on either side, it should be taken seriously by people, adminstration and popele responsible should be punshied.
Pakistan is most respobile for all these, had PAK not send tribals to kashmir, probably Kashmir would have been with same status as it was before 1947.
toh bhi mara gah sala. bastard sons of arabs. worshipping shiva in mecca. sala know the facts of history.please singh sahab,,,if you deserve to be called that,get your facts right.there is nothing in mecca that the muslims worship.
Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha…..lol….hahahahahahahahahhahahahaahha
I am also talking about official statement,16,000 people have been killed since insurgency, and the same report was announced by Raman Bhalla on the same date.You can’t rubbish his claims either!!
Have we been driven out of Kashmir? yes we have been..In early 20th centurt 1 million Kp’s lived in Kashmir valley,Today by your own words around 3000 are left.Now if that is not driven out,then probably new dictionary has to be invented which can suit your taste…I lakh is merely an exaggeration,Leave one lakh,just give me 20 thousand names and I will be the first KP post 1990 to side with your cause..
As far as padam shri controversy..I am in agree with you..It is a shame on Indian part to give padam shree to such persons whose history is stained in blood of his brothers…
Ramdev Baba will give Justic to Kashmiri Pundits!!!
even though i m a kashmiri pandit i dont think he will but if he gives very good
some muslims people writing on the blog are nonsense rascals,
kashmir is a fight of islam versus hinduism. this truth has the facts, nothing else. thiese bastard allahs, sala ko yeh nahi pata, your forfathers were also hindus. followed a tribal faith of arabs.
bastards. darpok muslims converted. pigsAs we all know that now days kashmir has become the most dangerous place in the world.its all happened just because of few stupid muslims who think that JIHAAD is only the way to reach ALLAH.
get ready to take kashmir back at any cost
if people in kashmir have got killed and army and crpf is in all corners of kashmir it is because pakistani agents with kashmir seperatists started killing ,bombing and cleaning process of kasmiri pundits and now same is doing with kashmiri sikhs.before first bombing there was no policing or army in streets.although kashmiri pundits were treated like shit in the streets then also,but still everthingh was running smoothly till some disgruntled politicians with the help of pakistani agents created havok in kashmir for which present generation is also suffering.i am sure no body in kashmir knows what is azadi they are asking.they can never be azad with pakistan china taliban alquida all ready to occupy it.it is my advice to all kashmiri brethern to shun voilence ,not to follow pakistani agents and start earnest talk with india so that all security forces can be removed from kashmir and then welcome kasmiri pundits who are your brothers (as you were also kashmiri hindus before most of you converted)and pass life peacefully and with prosperity.india will do anything for your growth with even one call.they consider kashmir their head and no body can cut his head and remain alive.
I don’t think all u guys r telling tru stories….
What the actual reasons were behind all this voilence????
If any body amongst u can provide some proofs, I’ll appreciate that!!!
I’d like to make a very clear-cut proposal as a summary of the policy we should have for J&K:
1. The state of Jammu & Kashmir or any part thereof will never be allowed to separate from India
2. If anyone wants ‘freedom’ from India, they are free to leave but will not take an inch of land with them
3. All displaced Kashmiri natives will retain the right to vote (in absentia if necessary) and own property in the state
4. The state’s law and constitutional status will be on parity with the other states of India (at a near future date) That is, abrogation of article 370.
5. The only remaining issue is the restoration of the state’s original boundary of August 1947 to Indian control from Pakistan and China
End of story.
For all the comments posted above, I’d like to give a single response. Let’s say the ‘balance sheet’ of atrocities on both sides (Muslim and Hindu/India) is equal. Now let’s face reality.
Pakistan is a declining, failed state. India is a risen power. India and Indians will never give up J&K. Since ancient times, it has always been Hindu/Indian (just as Pakistan has been). But the ‘Sindhu’ land is now Pakistan and that’s history. So if anyone from India is unhappy and feels they need to connect with their religious brethren in muslim Pakistan, they are free to leave. We’ll even buy them a ticket. Just go. And you will take only what you can carry with you – and not an inch of land.
When you suffer at the hands of Indian security, you should ask yourself why? if you instigate, commit crimes, create law & oder problems, you will pay the consequences. Security forces have a very stressful and difficult job to do and if you play with that short fuse, you will suffer. That’s the nature of law and order all over the world and throughout history. In war, bad things happen, so it’s up to you to give up this jihad war-like mentality. Because no matter what, you will not take J&K anywhere. It’s tha land of temples, sages and Indian civilization. Just because you were in power once, doesn’t mean you have the right to destroy the temples and culture. This has been the pattern of muslim invaders throughout history and the world. How many examples do you need? How would you like it if someone dropped a bomb on mecca?
So stop your nonsense and live peacefully. Do something with the God given mind and energy to uplift yourself and your people. The path of jihad and islamic radicalism is not going to take you anywhere – not even to the dozens of virgins in heaven. The mullahs are fooling you. Don’t you see the condition of muslim countries all over the world? Even the oil they sit on (the source of much of their wealth) was not their creation. What has your religion created except death and misery all over?
Your religion is evil. Maybe that’s the problem of all your ills. So do something for your children – don’t raise them as muslims. And teach them to build a Kashmir better than its glorious past. And be thankful you live in India which has always been a tolerant society. But don’t test its patience. Ultimately the good fight will win – that has been the credo of all Indic religions.
Good One keep them coming . The Issue is this that the hatred in Kashmir for India is not in heart of masses in valley but in pockets of people like S. A.S. Geelani Whenever it is been about Money and power the humanity takes back seat . History is a true witness.
Regards
Ranjeet
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An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the United Nations Assembly that made the world community smile..
A representative from India began: ‘Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Rishi Kashyap of Kashmir, after whom Kashmir is named. When he struck a rock and it brought forth water, he thought, ‘What a good opportunity to have a bath.’ He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Pakistani had stolen them.’
The Pakistani representative jumped up furiously and shouted, ‘What are you talking about? The Pakistanis weren’t there then.’
The Indian representative smiled and said, ‘ And they say Kashmir belongs to them. And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech.’
It is universal truth, we are entitled to live on this earth from the time of our birth till our last breath, the four days of life we live here can be made a pleasure or gruesome. We take birth naked and we die, we can carry nothing with us it is the nature of human. Why do we forget this and fight amongst ourselves be it hindu or muslim or follower of any other faith. Just like one puts up with every individual in a family whether one likes them dearly or not, in a society we should harmoniously as long as we live. Is anybody happy with all this irrespective whether one is born or living in Kashmir? No it hurts, ask oneself which eye is precious and you will get the answer.
It is important to note we as Kashmiri Pandits have to reside our faith in one leader and converge all our active orginisations into one . We tend to wait for some thing happening in kashmir and then suddenly realize that we are form valley.We have to proactively demand what is our right. My urge is that forst step is to restore our tempels which just about standing . we have to create and orginisation which would rehablitate and keep mantaning them . Replies and intrested ppl are welcome
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We need Narendraji as PM only he can tackle this problem rightly.
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You Pandits are biggest natakbaz.You people are creating bad name for Muslims of Kashmir.It was Jagmohan who lured you to move out of valley so that he could kill muslims.You don’t deserve to live in Kashmir or any other place.you should go to tankanyika or Antartica……
Really? Muslims have no place in India, much less in Kashmir. Nor are places like Pakistan and Bangladesh muslim lands – muslims have destroyed the region through the relentless campaigns and looting. And they continue to perpetrate their backward and failed religion. Islam is the scourge of this earth. And far as Kashmir is concerned, it is India’s heart. Embrace it or leave it.
Nicely said said @Achal… these motherfuckers will never listen to good but they only follow JIHAD and struggle all the people not only in India but all over the world.
how come one person from completely different religion or country could talk like this that Kashmir belongs to Hindus and India, During Independence it was ruled by Maharaj Hari Singh, and he is an Hindu. Kashmir is famous for many Hindu Temples… How could they think of Kashmir as their place… do not they have brains..?
Please stop this …God has created us equally … When God has no discrimination among-st us.. Why we ? Religion s are just the different ways of worshipping God..Why to kill ppl on this basis ? Killthe person , just tat he worship God in other form,,,? plzz dont do this dear kashmiri bro.s. Lets live happily…lets others also live happily
From the time of the Mughal invasion Muslims have tried to destroy Hinduism.Where now Masjids stand in Kashmir,there used to be beautiful temples.Muslims have always been invaders and destroyers,and you think this post will make them open their hearts.Do something.Kashmiri Pandits like me,you will not get your rights by forum,but by actions!
I agree with what umar mentioned but he spoke only .o1% about the scenario because of his limited knowledge but the true portion true picture has not yet discovered by any kashmiri pandit or kashmiri muslim.To discover that you first need to read more
this is all bulshit
pandits were never forced by terrorists to leave the state,
they were tricked by then governor JAGMOHAN, and army was used against the pandits to leave the kashmir,
Pandits were forced to leave by indian administration,
if IT would have been true than why not the sikhs were killed and why not
they left kashmir.
I think it is u who is talking bullshit not we kasmiri pandits.
never forget how badly the kasmiri muslims killed and due to whom how many of we kashmiri pandits fled.many were forced to change their religion into islam.and my advice to u mr. mudasir would be that please see in the past.
reply to dear freind Mudasir Rasool …..
it is just a myth that Jagmohan forced Kashmiri pandits to leave Kashmir. I have below reason to say that :
1) If it was planned move, perhaps all Pandits would have moved to one single place instead of getting scattered around the country. We never knew when my neighbor left & so does all
2) Solangs like ” yahan kya chale ga… Nizame-Mustafa” and “ Batan hund beul khudayan gol ( means may God perish the seed of pandits ) by locals means that there is no place for us and you want us to leave our mother land
3) 99 % people used local transport to flee, it means trucks/taxi owned used to flee was by local Muslims. why they allowed us to move. Had they good intentions they must have refused to take us out of valley .
4) We never left kashmir over night or in one go. When you came to know that Pandits are leaving why there was no appeal made at leader ship level and ground level to appealing us to stay back.. what efforts were made so that pandits are convinced to stay back
6) Why there was no condemnation of the posters asking Pandits to leave. why there was selective killing of Kashmiri Pandits.
5 ) Jangmohan just ensured that we get food and shelter once we were forced to leave.
6) I request all kashmiri Muslims to accept that it was their mistake to ask pandits to leave. There is nothing wrong in accepting & apologizing. We have large heart to accept your apology & forgive you all
u r totally correct mr. ajay bhat.
As a Kashmiri Muslim, I feel the pain at what the Kashmiri Pundits had(and still have to) go through. Having grown up in Kashmir during the 1990s, I can confirm to the readers of this blog that Kashmiri Hindus (pundits) were forced out by a campaign which had large tones of religious fanaticism. As a humanity loving person, I will never forgive those Kashmir Muslims(or groups/organisations) ones who showed support for driving out Kashmiri Pundits. My percception of Kashmiri Muslim socitey changed for ever. Also many Kashmiri Hindus were brutally killed , mayn of them totally innocent, thier only crime was they chose a different way of reaching God. Even if some of them were Indian intelligence agents as claimed by the armed militants, did it justfy klilling them in the brutal way some of them were killed. Of course I am ashamed of myself and many people like me, who even though we disagrred with what was happening , were scared of the Islamic parties guns to protest. But I feel the pain of a second generation Kashmir Pundit, who could not see the place whewre his father grew up, or where he was born a baby.
Though, we all know what a rouge agency the Pakistan secret services is (remember where Osama was finally caught), it will be a futile excercise now to decide how much of it was the Pakistan spy agencys doing, and how much was it local handiowork. But the fact is that a campaign of non-security was created for Kashmiri Pandits, and they had no option but to leave (posters aking them to leave, threatening slogans from loud speakers of mosques). The fact that it is now blamed on Jagmohan is plain propganda by some people. There are some naive Kashmir people who really believe it, for them I say, if there are such foolish people, no wonder we are in much trouble. Then there are other Kashmiri Muslims who are in denail, they simply decieve themselves that as a society they can be so cruel. Of course Jagmohan not being a un-realistic left leaning liberal,but a practical man, tried his best to lessen the Kashmiri Pundits suffering (his record to turn back Kashmir from insurgency was less distinguished).
Now about the moral part of it. It gets more tricky. The problem is most of us human beings want it to be black or white, unfortunately reaity and history is more grey and shaded. Ponder this. Just because some Kashmiri Pundits used thier poximity to Hindu kings to thier advantage in the past , is no reason to hate them now for ever. They also gave muslim students some of the best teachers. Kashmir Pundits were there much before many of the current Muslims were converted to Islam. So many ancient temples in Kashmir are proof of that. Muslim rulers did many attrocities in the past on thier subjects , and many of them documented by history based totally on religious fanaticism. But have we not moved on. Should Hindus and others hold it against modern day Muslims of the sub-continent for ever. Also I can assure you that the attitude of a typical non-Kashmiri Muslim is totally different than a Kashmiri Muslim. By and large the non-Kashmiri muslims want to be like most other Indians to be part of the new middle class and the see on that Pakistan is going downhill day by day, by mixing religous Islam with day to day running of a country. Of course because of the ancient Hindu(pundit) influence and the influence of Sufi saints, Kashmiri Muslims have some tolerant characteristics as well (go to Kashmir University and see how many little are vieled or wear Burqa, versus a Village in Uttar Pardesh).
The situation in Kashmir after 1989 was a culminaton of many factors. History: Kashmir was ruled by a hindu Maharaj Hari Singh like many other Princely states which were in-directly ruled by British. There was a generally agreed principle that in such cases the King should take a decision to join India or Pakistan, based on the majority of the populations wishes, proximity to India and Pakistan etc. Hari Singh has dreams of remaining Independant. At the same time a Kashmiri Muslim, Sheikh Abdullah had launched a movement against Hari Singh’s rule, which he thougt treated Kashmiri Mulsim subjects unfairly. What made it complicated was that Sheikh Abdullah was a litttle bit of an idealist and was influenced by Nehru. He did not want to have anything do with Jinnah’s Pakistan. Trusting niether Har i Singh or Sheikh, Pakistan clandestinely attacked Kashmir under the guise of tribals. Sheikh party men along with many local Kashmir Muslims (now National Conference) successfully pushed back many Pakistani raiders, but were ultimately too less for the invaders. The Pakistanis were about to take Kashmir, when Hari Singh finally woke from his slumber and pleaded India for help. To put a long story short, since Kashmir was legally undecided, Lord Mountabtten (the British Governal General), Nehru and the Indian Govt, negotiated with Hari Singh the “the Kashmirs accession to India” document so that India could send troops to help Hari Singh. Hari Singh signed the accession document. Historical records show that Mountbaiten, Nehru and others in the Indian Govt agreed that “Accession of Kashmir” to India by Hari Singh was to be ratified by the wishes of the majority of the Poeple of Jammu and Kashmir,as soon as normalacy returned. In fact given that the Plebiscite (asking people to tell thier preference for India or Pakistan) was to be held in whole of Jammu and Kashmir(all Hindus would naturally vote for a multi-religous India) , and the Muslim support for Sheikh Abdullah (who was strongly anti-Pakistan then) would have ensured an Indian Victory. When India took the issue to United nations, complaining about Pakistan’s aggression before the issue could be decided, this may be the reason(or may be also Nehru’s personal sense of fairness, though that is very difficult to judge objectively, given Nehru had emotional links to Kashmir) Nehru (or his envoy) promised in the united nations, that as soon as conditions return to normal, the fate of Jammu and Kashmir would be decided by asking the people. Though the BJP criticises Nehru for this now, the fact is that in 1947, Pakistan would have lost in such a plebscite and would not have agreed. What a fate of irony, that today India would not agree and Pakistan insits on it.
What happened after that is more tricky and how people interpret the events, depending on which side they are. India singed an autonomy pact with the Sheikh, keeping defence, foreign affairs etc with India and rest to local administration. Article 370 was introduced barring outsiders from owning land in India (BJP’s Shourie argues it was temporary measure till Integration was complete with India and shouild go as quickly as possible, National Conference maintains this was one of the conditions under which the Sheikh possiby agreed to keep Kashmir with India). A couple of other India states except Jammu and Kashmir also have laws similar to 370. Pakistan kept on cultivating Kashmir leaders who could convince Kashmiris to join Mulsim Pakistan, and convince Kashmiris to vote for Pakistan if a plebiscite was held. Neverthless in the early years of Sheilkh Abdullah, they knew it would not be that easy. The Sheikh began feeling India was impinching too much of his autonomy, leaders like Shyma Prasad Mukhurjee, thought giving Kashmir autonomy was like creating a nation state in a nation state, Nehru beleived that Sheikh and the Kashmir people should be rewarded for saying no to Pakistn in 1947 and autonomy was one way of finding a middle ground. After sometime, misunderstandings began emerging between Nehru and Sheikh. It is difficult to know was it simply because the Sheikh was over-ambitous and was trying to strech beyond his reach, or was it simply because India got more insecure (or more greedy). The result was a showdown betwen Sheikh Abdullah and Nehru(and India). The Sheikh was jailed. India negotiated with other poltical parties in Kashmir (some genuine, some propped up). While Sheikh was in jail, elections were held, people voted, though there were reports of large scale rigging. Sheikh as released from jail sometimes, but now he started demanding plebscite to decide bwteen India and Pakistan. he even startrted having fantasies of an Independant Kashmir. Both India and Pakistan tried to court him. Now Pkaistan started saying all elected Govts in Kashmir were illegtimate and Plebiscite should be held. India now used all possible tactics to avoid plebscite.Two wars happened, status quo prevailed. Pakistan kept on saying Plebiscite should be held, as promised by India in United nations. India kept on saying that this was no longer relevant in the changed circumstances. Ultimately Indira Gandhi signed 1975 agrreemnt with Shiekh and Kashmir saw a peacfull period betwen 1975 and his detah in 1982. This is where again the gary and shaded history kicks in. Many Liberal and balanced historains believe that Shiekh genuinely beleived in a tolerant multi-religious society like Nehru in 1947, and only changed later due to mis-understandings with India or due to over-ambitousness. Cynics like me beleive, the Shiekh may have been influnced by Nehru, but he was over ambitous from the start, and all is wanted was to be the lone Power in Kashmir. He knew in JInnah’s Pakistan, he will lose his special status. But in India, he calculated playing the secular card, he had more bargaining power. Later on when he sensed, that India could not let him blackmail them for ever to depend on him, he became anti-india for a period demanding Plebiscite , but ultimately the lust of power made him sign the accord with Indira Gandhi and India (his admirers would say pragmastism and longing for peace, it is difficult to say who is right). Also many people observe even during Sheikhs regime, many of the party members of the National conference and many Kashmir people harbored Pro-Pakistani feelings (rejoicing when Pakistan beat India in a match). However the Sheikh did manage to control it enough between 1975 and 1982, that Pakistan could not start a full blown insurgency or uprising against India. But there was always a current of pro-pakistani feeling. Pakistn kept on demanding a plebscite, India rejected it or avoided it saying there was a elected Govt.
After Sheikh’s death in 1982, Pakistan saw a poltical vaccum. Its intelligence agencies used the vaccum fully, brainwashed Kashmir young men that they should break from Hindu India. Some other events did not help. Jagmohan dismissed a elected Farooq Abduallh Govt in an undemocratoc and unskillfull manner. Later National Conference and congress under Rajiv signed an electoral agreement. Elections were massively rigged in favour of National conference and Congress. Had there been no National Conference-Congres alliance, the anger could have gone against only a local party- National Conference. But becasue of Congress, it became projected as anti-congress (a national party). Many oppostional candidates who contested the elections were mercillessley beaten by the ruliing National conference candidates after the elections. The Pakistani secret servcie agents fullly used it to thier advantage. Soon youth were going to Pakistan for training. Meahwhile, in order to contain communism, American policy makers had gone blind. They blindly trusted Pakistan Govt , army and secret services to find religious minded fanatics who could fight against Russians in Afganistan. This is exatcly what the fanatic, but cunning Zia-ul-haq needed to support his agenda of Isalamising the Pakistan army and socitey , creating a rapid anti-India campaign and finance his liberation of Kashnmir from India and in-doctrinate Kashmiri Muslims. Communism started collapsing at the same time, many countries started to break away from Russia in days. this also created the wrong kind of enthusiasm in Kashmir people to sepearte from India. Indian ilntelligence agencies were in-efficeint beyong belief, the Indian polititians were too busy in local politics. The poltical probelm of Kashmir (from 1947) started getting now mixed fully with Isamic fanaticism as envisioned by Zia-ul-Haq and Jammt-ul-Islami in Pakistan. Kashmiri youth in hunderds went in scores to train in Pakistan, bringing with them more religious intolerence. Kashmir HIndus (pundits) were driven out. The worst kind of religious doctrine and intolernce was mixed with anti-India feeling. A full scale militant insurgeny started. Militanst started having sophisticated weapons. Militants would attack army and ploice and hide in the civilian population. The civilan population did not always share (but somestimes did) the religious in-tolerance of the attackers, but shared thier anti-India feeling at a political level, gave the miltaints shelter after the attacks. Those who were opposed them did so out of fair of gun.It was clear at this stage (as it is clear now) that in any plebscite, the Kashmiri Muslims will decide to stay with Pakistan (though there might be some proportion of people, who having seen the decline of Pakistan in the yera 2000 and later, may also support Independance or support India, but a majority will still let emotion win over reason).
However India was also determined now to hold on to Kashmir at any cost. If this involved firing on unarmed crowds, doing door to door searches, arbitrarily picking up people to get information, extra judicial killings of innocents (or people supected to be involved, but without any proof) to get information about militants and terrorists, so be it they thought. The fact that the civilian population often provdied shelter to the militants after attack, did not make it easy for the military. If two many civilians got caught in crossfire, it would give more propganda material to Pakistan and militants. Even though India out of this need to win the propganda war , and also because of presuure fropm Indian civil socitey groups did start acting in later years iwth restraint, the overall directive was to hold Kashmir at any cost and put the fear of Indian state in every Kashmiri. However it is incorrect to say that the Indian Govt did voilence (sometimes also rape) against malice towards a Muslim state. The Indian Govt was acting like any other nation state to hold on to territory. As as state the Indian establishement is one of the most tolerant govts in the world. It is just that police and army forces dealing with insurgencies are uniformly brutal in south asia (the Indian police and Pakistani police treats crimanals and people in a brutal and in-human way, in that India and Pakistan are same). The big difference is that in India civil socitey more actively to task, if there is a suspicion that brutality is not routine police brutality, but brutality against muslim minority in particular. In Pakistan, no body gives a damn about minorities.
Now in sipte of all this , Kashmiris still want to join Pakistan, one has to see to whom does Kashmir belong morally. India’s case was in fact initially just , Pakistan tried to force the issue by sending tribals. However India after rightly or wrongly announced plebscite should have agreed to hold it. This would have forced people like Shiekh Abdullah take a clear pro-India or Pro-Pakistan stand, and India would not have been depend on him for ever. It is well possible that Shiekh would clearly instructed all Kashmiris to vote for India, as he hated Jinnah(for he believed he had mor ebargianing power in India), the Kashmir issue should have been solved for ever and India would have moral legtimacy. Of course it is possible that Pakistan would have avoided plebscite in 1947, or in the immediate couple of years. But India should have insisted on it, that would have called Pakistan’s bluff, forced Sheikh to take a stand. Cleraly either the Indian leaderhip that time was too in-efficient to do this, or it has ulterior motives to keep Kashmir (we will never know for sure, but naturally Kashmiris will believe that India had sinister motives – I agree the emotional response rather than logical).
It is clear to me from logic, that it is in the best interests of Kashmir muslims to stick with India. They will benefit materially, our children will have a better future. In India, as always they will enjoy religious freedom ( i must say exactly duiring the peropd from 1989 till now there were record number of mosques put up, and I never saw India or militray forces stopping this, the same cannot be said of temples in Pakistan). Pakistni socitey is increasingly being torn by sectarin voilence, they have bred on a diet of voilence and medivalism by teh Pakistani army and Zi-ul-haq. I do not see a single reason why Kashmir should sign its own destruction on joining Pakistan. Yet many Kashmiri will let emotion win over reason and will still want Paksitan.
Itsi clear from above analysis , that the Kashmir issue is not as strightforward as seems to be. Pakistan is also guity that it tried to force the issue by sending tribals, before Hrai Singh could decide in consultation with Sheilkh Abdullah and the people. India is als guilty in that India after rightly or wrongly having announced plebscite, should have agreed to hold it. Independant observers do not take the Indian execuse that India would hoild plebscite if Pakistan vacated the areas of Kashmir it vacated. Nor do they take the claim that India will break up if Kashmir goes to Pakistan. They see that it is an excuse by India to hold on to Kashmir.
The ideal case would be make the borders irrlevant. But this pre-supposes a certain kind of forward lookiing and Pluralistic leaderhsip in Pakistan (which can also take its socitely along that decisiion). Though the Indian political class might develop a consensus on it, this will not undestandly happen, unless Pakistan develop such a ploitcal leadership. This solution has the advanatges that with the right kind of tolerant, pluralistic leadrerhip(Omar Obdullah’s party though opporunistic,even though he took a very opportunistic stand on Amarnath to fool Kashmir people, but personally he is above religious bias), the Kashmiri Pundits could return back and we could all live happily. But I relalise this is a dreamers solution.
Another solution is close to what some in the BJP vajpayee Govt may have possibly agreed. Give the Kashmiri Muslim areas to Pakistan, but let Jammu and Ladakh be with India. Clearly Kashmiri pundits will lose thier ancestral homelands in this scenario, and even if some border areas between Kashmir and Jammu might be reserved for them, it will still be a loss for Kashmiri Pundits. But this has the adavnatge that this might be a solution acceptable to Indian public, and also take into consideration the anxiety the HIndu populations of Jammu have in living in an increasungly in-tolreant Pakistani state.
Sad as it may seem, there seems to be no better solution than this. It does look very clam in Kashmir today. But what after Omar obdullah. Unless some libreral centrist party emerges besides National conference in Kashmir, and there is sensible leaderhsip in Paksitan, Kashmir will always be vulnerable.
Meanwhile what advice do I have for my Kashmiri Pandit brethern. Do not be passive. Pro-actively highlight the in-justice met to you. Cultivate decision makers in all parties. Use international forums. Make them aware, you have treated un-fairly in your own country. The fact that Congress did not openly take the issue of Kashmir Pandits, is unfortunatly the new breed of political correctness which can be fatal to a country’s politics. Protect your self interest. Make sure you get a better deal in future negotioations, be united. But at the same time, do not succumb to the same hatred and fanaticism which some of the Kashmiri Muslims succumbed to. Do not let yourself be used as political pawns by other parties to garner anti-muslim hysteria. It is a tough balancing act. But that is the more mature choice. You want to remembered by history as the voice of reason in Kashmir. It is too tempting to join the street fight.
Thanks
Imtiyaz Dar, A concerned Kashmiri Muslim
Imtiyaz Dar,you are a genius .I have never read such a nice analysis.you are a true human,unbiased and really want a peaceful atmosphere in Kashmir.Your remark on political parties(BJP and Congress )quite accurate.Lastly your suggestion to Kashmir Pandits to remain firm on their demand without resorting to the path of terrorists is the only way to get back their lost land and to settle peacefully in Kashmir Velly.
very good analysis done by u sir really very true human at heart , if all the muslims would have been like you then j and k would have been the number one state in indial in all parametere.
the best solution i came through so far. keep up sir
i think imtiyaz dar ,u r one of the only few kashmiri muslims who feel guilty and are sorry for all the things which happened years ago.well said.
i m happy that u r atleast apologising unlike others .
Dear Veteran Sh. Rajinder S. Rajput
Sub:- Veterans of India can launch NGO for also solving problems of Displaced Kashmiri Pundits
This refers to your today’s email to me in which you have shown concern about plight of Hindus in Pakistan on the basis of letter from Dr Togadia, Adeshnath, Panchal, BKChaudhary, NKataria, Hemant Panchpor of VHP and the history of excesses the Hindus suffered in Kashmir and in pre – 1947 India at the hands of Muslim fundamentalists.
In this regard first I want to mention the following :-
(i)- Had the blood of martial element of both Hindus and Muslims flown together on the soil of India for the Independence of India from British Raj, then no communal force could have succeeded in partitioning India in 1947.
(ii)- As one religion remains in more than one State similarly one State keeps more than one religion within the country. Therefore the martial element (the armed forces including its Veterans) which is the main basis of any State should never have bias in favor of or against any religion being practiced in the country (Hinduism, Islam, Christianity etc in case of India)
(iii)- We should not put cart before the horse and first should solve Displaced Kashmiri Pundits (DKP) problem and then should solve the problems of Hindus in other countries
(iv)- The following solution of the problem of DKP will have tremendous international implications and will solve the problems of Hindus in other countries too (Pakistan, Bangladesh etc).
(v)- The following solution was tried in 2002 but Hindutva parties and organization of DKP ran away
As far the problem of human rights of minorities (Hindus) in Pakistan, it is deeply related to Kashmir problem which will be solved only when either India militarily retrieves the territory of Kashmir from Pakistan or as explained in my earlier emails to you in which I sent my letters published in national and international media (also available at Kashnet Yahoo Group, scoop News, News From Bangladesh and at http://www.mynews.in/News/usa_unnecessarily_being_blamed_for_india_not_burying_1962_ghost_N493172.html and http://www.mynews.in/News/usa_rather_should_try_for_fsdr_of_sseaarc__N480847.html and http://www.mynews.in/News/different_approach_needed_to_analyze_bala_saheb_N517432.html ) .
Therefore in this letter I will confine myself to the following solution of the problems of DKP, given below :-.
(1)- As per Kashmiri Samiti there are 1.5 million DKP in India, out of which 5,00,000 (Five hundred thousand male female , children elders) of DKP are prepared to go back to Kashmir valley immediately.
(2)- In 2002 the Shiv Sena (SS) tried to solve the problem of DKP by sending 5,00,000 Shiv Sainiks with 5,00,000 DKP to Kashmir valley on one to one basis in order to rehabilitate them in Kashmir valley in the face of fundamentalist terrorism in the valley [as per decision taken in a meeting in 2002 of 20 SS Office Bearers with 20 Executive Committee members (including President Sunil Shakdhar) of Kashmiri Samiti, Amar Colony Lajpat Nagar, New Delhi].
(3)- In this 2002 meeting to the question of Kashmiri Samiti that what is the guarantee that DKP will not be killed in Kashmir Valley, the SS replied that there is no such guarantee but there is one guarantee that while defending the rehabilitated DKP the accompanying SS will lay down his life before any thing happens to DKP.
(4)- The SS also told the Kashmiri Samiti that the accompanying SS will not be a financial burden on rehabilitated DKP but SS certainly expects that DKP and their Kashmiri Samiti will cooperate with SS in making survival of SS easier in Kashmir valley.
(5)- But later on neither National leadership of Hindutva party nor Kashmiri Samiti (claimed to be the organization of 1 million DKP) took any interest worth the name and this idea was dropped.
(6)- But now Hindutva forces (Dr. Togadia Adeshnath, Panchal, BKChaudhary, NKataria, Hemant Panchpor etc of VHP and others) and DKP can again try this solution with the support of Veterans (VOI) and should do the following.
(7)- All the Veterans of India should come on one platform of registered NGO “Veterans Of India” (VOI) as per attached constitution.
(8)- VOI should send 5,00,000 of its members with 5,00,000 DKP on one to one basis who will remain with DKP till they feel secured to live in Kashmir Valley.
I am sure your goodness will take initiative to not only contact Dr Togadia Adeshnath, Panchal, BKChaudhary, NKataria, Hemant Panchpor etc of VHP and other Hindu Organizations and DKP to become members of this VOI in large numbers from all over India but will also ask all the Veterans of India too to assemble at some place (as the General Body of VOI) preferably in Delhi (NCR) at the earliest possible so that endless debates in this matter and crocodile tears of Hindus may give way to action – packed human rights programs and activities.
Moreover once all the Veterans, DKP and Hindutva elements assemble at one place for this purpose then things will automatically work-out.
Regards
Yours truly
Hem Raj Jain
(Author of ‘Betrayal of Americanism’)
S/72, Maya Indraprasth, J P Nagar Ph VI th, Bangaluru – 560078, India, Ph:- 080 – 41144997, 07829074704
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24 Pandits killed in Kashmir
March 24, 2003 11:29 IST
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At least 24 Kashmiri Pandits were killed at Nadimarg village near Shopian in Pulwama district around midnight.
Kashmir [ Images ] range police chief K Rajendra told rediff.com that militants came to the village, 75 kilometres from Srinagar [ Images ], late Sunday night and disarmed the policemen guarding the Pandits. One version said the militants were dressed in police uniforms.
“They first snatched the policemen’s weapons and later fired indiscriminately on the Pandits. The police has recovered 24 bodies so far,” Rajendra said.
Eleven women, eleven men and two children were killed by the militants who numbered about 25. The village has 11 Pandit families, comprising 52 people.
Some policemen reached the police station at Shopian and informed their superiors about the incident, he said.
The area has been cordoned off and massive search operations mounted. Police sources said the gunmen snatched weapons including four self loading rifles from the policemen guarding the Pandits.
The killings are a setback for Chief Minister Mufti Mohammad Sayeed’s plans to establish a safe haven for members of the Kashmiri Pandit community driven out of Kashmir by militancy in the valley. The state government had drawn up plans to settle the Pandits around the holy spring shrine at Tullamullah in Srinagar district and Mattan in south Kashmir’s Anantnag district.
After the January 26, 1998 massacre of 23 Kashmiri Pandits at Wandhama, Pandit villages have been provided security by the state government.
Sources said the Pandits living in Nadimarg had not migrated to Jammu and stayed back in their village. Nearly 5,000 members of the community continue to live in the Kashmir valley.
The victims:
Bansi Lal(30)
Rekha [ Images ](40)
Chand Rani (60)
Prince (23)
Sameera(23)
Geeta Devi(45)
Suman Ji 925)
Lassa Koul (70)
Bibi Ji (22)
Girja (23)
Suraj (4 )
Malu(5)
Preetima Kumari (25)
Reshi Koul (23)
Devika (70)
Radha Krishan (55)
Bansi Lal (65)
Triloki Nath (60)
Avtar Krishan (70)
Mohan Lal (60)
Rakesh Kumar (29)
Lok Nath (55)
Omeet (29)
Praduman Krishan (60)
I sathish pandita s/o madsudan pandita R/o chittergul is a non.migrant wants to draw kind attention of our C.M ,ministers ,concern MLA ,of shangus and other officers of district Anantnag as well top officals of state Government.Tell me why they did not intrested for the development,progress,employment etc.I want to know why government drop our two candidates from the list of non migrant package,why did not j and k government helps us in the construction of temple and why did not govt:sanction any kind of amount for our development.we are not human beings.For what purpose j and k government give us punishment. Is not it a punishment for being a hindues.Did not govt:wants our existance in the valley.Overall being a non.migrant i feel that 80% ministers and mlas not infavour returen of a kashmire pandit community in the valley.Espicalley M.L.A.shangus Peer Mansoor.thanks
Hi
My name is sanjay.Iam agree with u.I also suffer lot of things.I lost my father and mother due to meg. I lost home in sringar.And live in jammu on rent.
Dear Sanjay,I am a non- Kashmiri Hindu.But I sincerely want homeless Kashmiris to return home.It is political weakness for which leaders ignore displaced Kashmir Pandits’ problem.If you can do one thing it will constantly create headache to leaders.Just form”Kashmir Government in Exile”.It will be a great slap on the face J&K govt. pinpointing their inefficiency.It is sort of a non violent protest but will be very effective one.Please have a discussion with others and try to materialize it.Please don’t ignore the suggestion and keep on writing me.dnd,deb2012@gmail.com
I am happy to know that Kashmiri people are liberal and mature.
Yes I agree with the Kashmiri muslim people that they were badly treated during the Dogra rule. I agree on that. But I can say that both the sides suffered equally and I expect both of you should unite ..I mean Kashmiri Hindus must support their muslim brothers and the viceversa.
I will be the happiest person if the kashmir problem will be solved .God bless you all ..
I had lately been to Srinagar, i am true Kashmiri Pandit at heart and true Indian.I have grown out side Kashmir but i still remember the old day when i use to visit my parental place during my child hood. I have been hearing stories from my parents about the culture, existence and i personally felt the pain all resident of Kashmir irrespective of there religion. I am not person from 1930’s or 1965’s nor i would like to get in forum of discussion to what Mugals did or what Sheikh Abdulla or Nehru did or what happaned during dogra rule or for a fact what the present political parties are currently doing. I understand & feel atrocities possibly faced by people ( I am referring to “PEOPLE “) not( Hindu or Muslim or Sikhs )from early days of Hari singh. Kashmir turmoil is not because of political gimmicks but due to its own people. The mental situation and agony people have been carrying againt each other whether post 1989 or before that, i personally belive it is human weakness which has lead to failure and stagnant growth of Kashmir as a state.
I do not want to sound bias at this stage or at this point of time against any specific religious belief but all i would like to convey is that ,the times have changed & Kashmir as a state is still behind by 25years whereby all the other Indian states have achived marginal growth over a period of these times . Being a pundit myself, there could be possible % from my brotherhood or from other religion who may disagree with my thoughts since i may not have personally witnessed the same but all i want to convey is that it is time to move ahead.
In above forum, i could notice people favouring Pakistan, but are people relising the fact that we are talking about going from Worst to Deteoriate conditions if such action are expedited by the govt in near future.
Pak as country has not been in a situation to stablise its own condition since independence so what can be expected from such a detoriating country which has no vision of growth else than spreading or supporting terrorism.They have been unsuccessful to handle there internal messed conditions what vision are they going to provide to Muslim brotherhoods.
I had this gentlemen aged b/w 27-28 driving our cab, i could relise what a common man is suffering in today’s Kashmir.
During our travel he conveyed us that , they demanded independent Kashmir ( niether part of India or Pakistan). My point is with a population of only few lakhs and with only tourism as industry how do you plan to introduce changes if provided with independence.And we are not only referring to establishment of industry or comman men livelihood but also security of the state when you are engulfed by countries like Pakistan , Taliban supported Afgasitan.
Post independence also, the livelihood cannot be continued only on above factors, we are talking about a fullfledged independent Kashmir as country.
This is sensitive issue and requires long run vision not just a short and temporary solution of providing independence.
During different instance of my travel period at Kashmir i could relise many local resident wanted pundits to returm to Srinagar, but the point is where and by whose support??
I firmly belive for growth of Kashmir as a state we need to decided
1) Strict course of actions.
2) People who would be associated with this movement.
3) A vision of growth and stabilisation
4) Common men support to reliase the actions
5) Most impoetant a Understanding and Common sensible understanding which can enhance the growth of the state.
The world has changed and so is the thinking. I noticed lot of local resident sending there kids for further education and growth prospects outside Kashmir and with changing Ideologies what Kashmir is being discussed out here in the forum ????
Are we taking about properties of pundit burnt and sold in a wiery condition at cheap prices or are we referring to comman local resident now suffering for there peaceful existence ??????
I did see few comment above aginst Jagmohan plans of moving pundits of region, and i could relise few people opposing the same by possibly conveying that it was pre planned decision taken by the governor . I personally think nothing is important than a life of human being.If those decision were taken , possbily there could have been valid reasons behind the same . I do not think pundit ever wanted to migrate to any other state nor they still feel the same.
It takes life to build your dream and a minute to destroy the same , the point is people migrated and they lost heavily whether its was materilistic or non materialistic.
In above forum i noticed a gentlemen talking about Kashmir quota provided by goverment, i wanted to convey this gentlemen ” Sir 5:100 is not quoata worth appreciating but we still thank the govt of Maharastra who voluntarliy supported on humanatarian grounds and today with 100% literacy people have stood and come out of dark ages when every one suffered.
I am sure there are still families who are still looking forward to comeback and relise there dreams and looking forward for prosperous life but with ongoing situations i am afraid peace loving people would still make up there minds to come back.
I cannot provide you statistic of death toll either of Hindus Muslim, Sikhs, but can only provide you number of people wanting to have a stabilised economy and life at Kashmir.
To a certain extent,i feel pandits need to come up as regional party representing the ” Return of Kashmiri ” for a stabilised growth .This will help eradicate notions of thoughts ” killings by forces of innocent people ” as quoated by local residents.
The percentage mix of hindus and muslim would possibily bring stabilisation in the state and introduce +ve thoughts in exisiting population who are distraugted by the exisiting separatist parties who are purely Anti- Indian.
And at the end all i would say is ” The growth of state is by its people and its vision not by introducing terrorism and being associated with devloped or developing countries.There is a history of under development from past 25 yrs due to terrorism and anti India notion, but let me ask what has been a result of these massacare till date. 1989 – It all started with Hindus, moved to Sikh and now Muslims, So why not end the same and bring in ladder of prosperity and growth of state and our nation.
Message to locals- You are way behind by 30years of development, either think of growth then being called as deprived or neglected state.The choice is either associate with developed country or ruin future of your dear ones by neglecting +ve opportunity in your hand.
Message to Pundit Its time to reunite from scattered pieces we have already dealt with losses now we need to look forward for our statehood and identity. We grew from stage where we lost and today world admires us for our obvious reason of being calm poised nature and highly educated class.
I am sure with our vision and unity the chance are we bring development for each invididual irrespective of there religion.
Dear All,
Whole world knows that kashmiri pandits are killed by local & pakastini militants in every part of Kashmir. All Kashmiri pandits are pressurised & harassed every day every minute & every second to leave that place. In that case Jagmohan has not any role, it is just propaganda by Mishevious muslims of Kashmir who had role in killing of kashmiri pandits. Kashmiri pandits are very social & not have faith in any kind of violence. Kashmiri pandits are always helping their kashmiri Muslims in many ways some of donate their lands to them, some are donate money to them, some are helping to providing them free education from years & years for future of Muslims. We always believe in brotherhood & every muslim knows it very well, but the truth is, always pandit community targeted by some kashmiri Mishevious muslims who have their own benfits in the name of like Pakistan, aazadi, yaha ke chelaga Mustafa. Responsible of killings of kashmiri Pandits,Muslims,Sikhs & Dogras are those who are involve of Miltancy in Kashmir.
Kashmir pandit houses looted & stolen every thing from their houses by the Mishevious local Muslims. Immovable property of kashmiri pandits grabbed & occupied fraudulently by local Muslims during migration, they had changed title ownership of KP fraudulently in their names. They had pressurise kashmir pandits to cell their properties to them on very less amount, they had collect all details of kashmiri pandit land from the revenue authorties, they had purchased one khasra no. & fraudulently they had added other Khsra No’s in the documents.
I want the peace should return to the valley and non arrogant persons like Gilani who is Pro Indian Agent and Pro Pakistani Agent should be slaughted. Every month he receives a good amount from both India and Pakistan. He asks for shut down and middle class people become culprits. Why to abide by Hurriat or Abdullah’s. They should be thrown out of the state to a lonely place where they cannot get any thing to eat. Then they can realise the problem being faced by local kashmiri people.
Regarding comments on Jagmohan, I strongly oppose that pandits were told to move out of kashmir by him. It was in 1989 end or 1990 beginning when posters were kept asking pandits to leave kashmir or to face consequences. I am my self victim of this. Around 50 militants with loaded guns came to kill me on 07th March ‘1990. Thanks to god our neighbours had left and I took shield in that house for the whole night and in the dusk, i took my mother along with me and left in a car. was it jagmohan who came to me to leave kashmir. Every body has mouth to speak and have right but speak the reality. Dont speak non sense things.
With love
Sanjay
Muslims are fighting all over the world with christians, jews, hindus. please pray to God for Israel, Christians and Hindus who are being tortured. muslims want sharia law in the whole world.
Is this the unity of our community ?Still no more than 5-6 people ready to come. C’mon everyone, Make something out of this initiative, we are not telling you to fight, just a formal gathering. I’m sure if we get atleast 40-50 people to gather at the place, 50% of our job is done, So please i again request all those who are in delhi .. We are meeting on sunday 17 th aug central parkcp…. Inbox me urphone nos n names… ..it will be a first step for the revolution.. No more facebook aggression.. Time for action.. Time 12noon…Please make this initiative count, Share this as much as possible, wonders will happen.
This is with reference to recent floods in kashmir. Being kashmiri I have full sympathy with my brothers who have no house to live , they are living in tents. I can understand this pain more as we kashmiri Pandits have gone through same difficult phase during early 90s. I do remember we also left our homes and lived in tents or 10 member family in one room. I can understand pain more deeply as it was very difficult to live in tents under 45 degree temperature and same there , they are living under cold temperature. We mate the same fate as far as education is concerned , we couldn’t enter exams as it was different session at Jammu. Same way exams have been postponed at srinagar. We left our houses during nights and floods came also during night suddenly. Pls don’t worry we are with you at this hour , only at times I think if this is Gods Justice. But whatever God will protect and shower us with love and brotherhood . keep us away from evils .
At the same time let me remind all kashmiri Pandits that we were forced to leave our homes and blaming it on Jagmohan is a myth. Had it been planned migration , perhaps I would have same neighbours as I had in kashmir , we even didn’t knew about leaving of my next door neighbour , how come it was planned. Also in kashmir , most of transport is managed by Muslims, why they did not ask us not to leave when we were using their transport. How many times , an appeal by locals was made not to leave from local mosques. How could we stay there when slogans like ” Batan hund boul Khudayan goal ” and yahan kya chale ga Nizame e Mustafa ” were being made. A few kashmiri still living in kashmir are under seize and compulsion. our land in kashmir was either occupied or purchased at very low rates by giving false informations on actual rates. Even after 25 years there are no efforts for their return , only the issue has become part of one line speech at times. Let me tell you that while we want to return to Kashmir but it has to be with full dignity and unconditional apology from so called leaders. You have to also ensure return of our land illegally occupied by you. Do you have big heart to do that……or may be you will ask your masters across border first.
Kapil raina
Our goal in life should not be to get back to kashmir…our goal should be to become good human beings, great spiritual beings as our ancestors were then whereevr we go, that place will become kashmir….lets advance in spirituality…lets liberrate ourselves from sufferings and misery…that should be our ultimate goal, be it kashmir or some other place, we need to live a peaceful happy life, our efforts should be that…let us not be obsessed with kashmir.nature does not wants us to be in kashmi, let us accept the decision of nature becuase it has good thing for us…let us raise above our petty discussions of kashmir kashmir kashmir……one day death will come to everyone whether u live in kashmir or anywhere else, so before death, let us realize who we actually are, let us expand our awareness…meditate….things will happen favourable to us automatically…
my thinking is that we should forget arguing
The Kashmir Pandit issue is an Indian Issue. I repeat again its an Indian Issue. Its a Pakistan vs India issue not a Hindu Vs Muslim. The sadpart is though that not many people of both Communities of this Diverse Country of ours have talked about it in detail. In this Age of FB I see Beef Ban, Hindu rashtra, Muslims Should be Denied Voting Rights, all these issues trending but no one Raises the issue about Kashmiri Pandits. More the Hindu Brothers the Muslims Brothers should participate in this movement and make sure all the Pandits go back to their Homeland and Peace Prevails and the Govt Launch a Full Fledge offensive against the Militants.
I as an Indian Muslim – A Muslim whose brother an sisters are constantly harrassed and killed in gaza Stand with the Kashmiri Pandits.
This Issue really needs to be Sorted!
Where were the so called Human Rights Activists when Kashmiri Pandits were getting mascaraed in the valley.
Shame to one and All
no need of pandits in Kashmir ,get out and go your Hindu state Gujarat
@taufeeq – I guess your so called baseless and stupid statement would not help govt to change their thoughts.
So why dont u do something worth for mankind.would advise you to either support change or fly to Pakistan or Iraq since ppl with your kind of mind sets are like rotten apple who are not eaten but are thrown in trash bins.
Your are group of ppl who would prefer staying in drak ages since acceptance is change and change is what you dnt prefer because you know you cant stand on something rights so prefer staying behind the scene blabbering about same old issues.if you can’t do.some thing good.for others do something good for yourself by not passing such idiotic statment since it does not show your wisdom but shows your incapability of bringing in change for all.
Personal advice worth million’s.act before its too late for you .
@tafeeque again – on your so called statement . Rahmaat Ki beheek par jeena bandh karo phir awaz uchi karo.pandito.ke ghar par kabza karke baithe aur ghar ke maliko ko he bol rahe Ho gujrat jao.shukar karo pandit ne ghar aur Kashmir choda tho time sar par maakan Mila ,maakan ke saath unke saman Mila.Varna aaj bhi usi halat Mai pade rahte.apne Dum par kuch kiya hotha tho mante dusro ka cheen kar khana rahmet Ki bheek se kaam nai hothi.
Islamic society should be remove from Jammu Kashmir. It is the real place of kashmiri pandit.Muslim were not Indian,they came from Turkey and Arab.They are not indians ,they should be remove from India.
Had it been any other community suffering complete ethnic cleansing in the name of azaadi , it would have choked but we did not .. we are survivors . ” jis kashmir ko tumne khoon se seencha wo kashmir hamara hai ” !
The big facade of Kashmiriyat – muslims & pundits being brothers is a big lie..The problem is with Islamic fanaticism. these people believe everyone is wrong and evil, and they are the most pious people. They have a problem with Christians, Jews , Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists. Why only Kahsmir, look at the last 1000 yrs of history of India the way these people have plundered, looted, raped our country. Who demolished thousands of hindu temples, looted them and killed people mercilessly. How many times Delhi has been looted and plundered. Who has been doing forced mass conversions since centuries…embrace islam or embrace death..who has given these gory slogans.what happend in Kashmir during Aurangzeb’s time..one unfortunate incident of demolition of babri masjid gives you the right to kill thousands of people. from those standards then hindus should have wiped you becuase we have no score of how many temples have been demolished in last 1000 years. if someone draws a caricature of your prophet you go all out killing people, but dont mind drawing naked pics of hindu god and godesses.. this is sheer hypocrisy…guys think what have you given to this world. Name one discovery of yours that has contributed to this world, on the contrary you guys have been harming the world peace. you have just become a cancer to this world. I feel sad and pity. I have read Quran, it is such a beautiful book. it teaches peace. the problem is these bunch of fools carrying guns have not understood Islam.
The muslims of kashmir who are so much pro-pakistan than pro-india and have not supported so far any effort to bring back kashmiri pandits should know about historical and achaelogical facts. Kashmir, if they claim that it belongs to muslim population residing there, actually belongs to people of bharatvarsha, ie Hindus. Muslims of valley can educate themselves if they ever try to learn about the facts in history. Its only after 12th century that these muslims have invaded into india across hindukhus and north-western himalayas. So if anybody wants to debate on who are real residents of kashmir, then they should first educate themselves that its people of bharat/india.
As a native jammuite,i have been involved in very close conbersations with KPs.The pain they all suffered these years around is unbearable yet no intellectual came forward to support their cause…really disgusting.I believe that creating a strong organisation which can aim to organise protests every weekend especially in DELHI will certainly turn the deaf ears on.I assure that now being a student in Delhi University will try my level best to support you in every way possible.Jai Hind.KPs will get their rights..
Thanks Rajeshji for your support.
Is there any body or forum to take care of ksdhmiri pandits at UN. If yes, what is the status. Why not interested persons appeal directly to UNO for the protection of pandits interest in Kashmir.
GOI is representing Kashmir(including KPs) .As of today, there is no specific body that represent Kashmiri Hindus specifically.However in the past a KP group had represented the Kashmiri Hindu cause at UN.
READ THIS CORRECTED VERSION> GENUINE HISTORY OF KASHMIR I hail from the Jammu and Kashmir State from the Jammu region. My Dad was posted in Kashmir Valley thus know the Valley pretty well. Firstly who are the genuine Kashmiri Brahmins? They are the Proto-Aryans speaking a Proto-Aryan language. This language was the mother of Rigvedic-Sanskrit (from Northwestern region of India touching Central Asia) and its twin Avestan-Persian (from Central Asia). Today most Muslims in the Valley have roots from Kashmiri Hindus thus there is much common between the Kashmiri Brahjmins and Kashmiri Muslims. In the Aryan traditions the Kashmiri Brahmins are heavy meat consumers and their important God is Agni (Agun) the Rigvedic Fire God. vedai� +aa�gai�1 padakramayutair vedåntasiddhåntakais tarkavyåkara�ai� purå�apa�hanair mantrai� aa�gågamai� … paurå�aśrutitarkaśåstranicayai� ki� cågnihotrå�kitair viprair dhyånatapojapådiniratai� snånårcanådyutsukai� … kåśmīrabhūr uttamå || (Råjatara�giī of Jonaråja, B 747) It is certain many Kashmiri Brahmins will go back to their homes their beloved Kashmir Valley. The government now has the means to settle them and should accelerate the process. Ethnic colonies are found in most secular democracies and some Muslims could also be settled in these colonies to keep Kashmiriyaat. It is no secret that when ever the settlement of Kashmiri Brahmins in the Valley comes some foreign and internal forces immediately try to block this process. India is a great secular democracy of 1.3 billion people and the anti-India elements must be frustrated., Many left the Valley since for this tiny of the tiny peoples the numbers were against them. On a person and person basis the truth is the KP can take on any one. P.S. The Kashmiri are Sarasvat Brahmins. The SarasVati River: The Helmand historically besides Avestan Haetumant bore the name Haraxvaiti, which is the Avestan form cognate to Sanskrit Sarasvati. The Avesta extols the Helmand in similar terms to those used in the Rigveda with respect to the Sarasvati: “the bountiful, glorious Haetumant swelling its white waves rolling down its copious flood”
P.S. It is now overdue that Mr. Modi bring back the Kashmiri Brahmins. I can say many of these Brahmins will go back. Who would not like to live in Kashmir. Also the history of Kashmiri Brahmins is pretty similar to the Aryan Zoroastrians of Iran and very different from the Semitic Jew.
SUGGESTIONS TO MR. MODI ON KASHMIR
1) Place more troops in Kashmir.
2) Further enhance intelligence in the Valley.
3) Ban the movement of more than 5 people in a group
4) Bring back the Kashmiri Pandits and build temporary accommodations for them till they get fully established. It is easy to give them protection in safe zones. Note most objective Pandits will return since they love their homes and there is no better place on this planet. Switzerland is no match for Kashmir.
5) Many foreign and internal forces will try to prevent this (return of Pandits) they must be frustrated. The aim of these elements is to delay things as much as possible.
6) Further enlarge the armed forces both nuclear and conventional. To prevent a war be ready for a war. NEVER DROP OUR CAUTION.
7) Mr. Modi must learn to be practical
Yes as in Bhagvashmiri Gita “dharma ki vijay hogi aur adharm ka naash.”
The Kashmiris have a very well documented history in the Rajataringini. We know our origin and history thus to create and plant a history in our region is impossible. Most Kashmiri Muslims today in the Valley are converts from Kashmiri Hindus. Also the Kashmiri Brahmins are Aryan Central Asian people and Saraswat Brahmins. Most likely the Saraswati river followed near Kashmir. The Helmand historically besides Avestan Haetumant bore the name Haraxvaiti, which is the Avestan form cognate to Sanskrit Sarasvati. The Avesta extols the Helmand in similar terms to those used in the Rigveda with respect to the Sarasvati: “the bountiful, glorious Haetumant swelling its white waves rolling down its copious flood” It is no secret that the Jews are working overtime to Semitize people racially by planting fake data, etc. and Kashmir is one of their prime targets. To call a Kashmiri Hindu or even a Muslim as a Semite (a Jew) is the biggest abuse.
Also the ripe time for the Kashmiri Brahmins (all other Indians should help them) to be resettled immedistely in the Valley. Many foreign and internal forces are trying to prevent this. There is no place like Kashmir on our planet thus any rational person would be delighted to live in Kashmir.
Most of India is with you and you should all go back to your beloved Kashmir. Shri Modi has to act on this. In the meanwhile do not give up you culture and traditions. Any one who has traveled knows this is being pushed by the Semites (not Arabs in this case) but by the Semite Jew. In India they are pushing vegetarianism in their beloved China non-vegetarianism. The Jews have succeeded in pushing their agenda in the USA but are total failures worldwide. I am from the J&K State and travel a lot thus know what is going on. According to our Aryan traditions we Dogra Rajputs and our friends the Kashmiri Pandits will continue to consume meat including pork. However we shall respect the cow and never eat beef.++++
Overdue the Kashmiri Pandits unite and push to go home to their beloved Kashmir. Our State the Jammu and Kashmir State was an independent kingdom and was not ruled by the British. It was ruled last by Maharaja Hari Singh Jamwal. The Jamwals are genuine ancient Kshatriyas.The borders of this State touched the Vakhan and hopefully POK one day will be liberated, and all the territory that legally belongs to India brought back justifiably where it belongs. Also absolute peace in Kashmir is close and Shri Rajnath Singh a great Home Minister knows what to do.
This State mainly has three regions. The Aryan Jammu region, the Central Asian Aryan region of which Kashmir is a part and the Mongol Ladakh region. It must be noted that 72% Indians are pure Aryans. This Race exists in every region of India. People in this State have their own culture. We have nothing to do with Punjab (though Punjabis are a fine people as well) as many Jewish agencies (for reasons the Jews know), doing publicity for the Punjabi are spreading. This is now a known fact all over India.
Most Indians who are snoozing would be shocked to read what I am writing. I as a Hindu like all people including the Jews. The Jews are now focusing on our State in order to Semitize it racially by fake data. They being rather insecure are attempting this but shall surely fail!
Now watch how the Jews function: They are going globally to infiltrate cultures and Semitize them. They are now focusing on Aryavarta (most of India) and Ariana (parts of Afghanistan) and trying to Semitize them racially. When they fail (they are failing) they refer to it as a joke! Now the Jews got a Mormon (Mormons and Jews are very close) scientist, one Downie (see link below) to spread falsely that the Kashmiris think they are Jews or Greeks! As is well known the Greeks or Macedonians never entered what is India today since Puru during his battle (this battle took place in what is Pakistan now) saw to it that Alexander went backwards! What is certain Alexander went backwards who won or lost no one genuinely knows. Later Chandragupta Maurya defeated Seleucus and seized much booty and territory, including Eastern Iran, and parts of what is Afghanistan, etc. The Jews are now using the Semitic religion connection to Semitize Kashmiris racially. As is known the Arabs (Muslim and Christian as well) and Jews are cousins and Semites. They share Semitic names traditions, ethnicity, etc. With the advent of Islam in India many regions were given Semitic names like Allahabad (in reality Prayag. Also since the name for God is very close to Allah in Judaism they will mention that the Semitic-Jewish Allah created this great Hindu city). Now the Jews are working overtime to use this Semitic connection to Semitize even Kashmir racially. However, Kashmir has the Rajataringini and no Semitic influence only Aryan exists in this great credible classic.The Jews are using the Mormon scientists, the Ahmadis, etc., to spread this fake data as well. Racial genetics is easy to fix but even than note what Downie came up with in his publication: A genome-wide search for Greek and jewish admixture in the kashmiri population
They found none as anticipated!
P.S. Also note Downie (working for his Jewish grant givers) has written that Kashmiris believe they are Jews or Greeks and fake data is provided by him. No sane Kashmiri (Muslim or Hindu), except a few Ahmadis, etc. think in such a stupid manner and to call a Kashmiri a Semite or Greek is surely an abuse. Same for a Tajik or an Iranian; referring to them as a Semite would result in a vigorous reaction. Though Iran was genuinely under the Macedonians and Greeks they (the Iranians) never married with them. Let lay people not mix religion with race. With the advent of Islam in India (including Kashmir) Semitic influence religiously exists but racially the Indians are not Semites (Jewish-Arab). A tricky geneticist can pick up an Arab origin Indian (there are few genuine ones in India) and fix his results to show he is a Jew. Note also Jews and Arabs are genetically very close as well. The Jews create a fake controversy,
The Jews can even plant fake old Hebrew stuff in different countries to Semitize them. The Wikipedia is the vehicle for the Jewish lobby to try to change global history. But they can not. Though I am no admirer of Adolf (he surely belonged to our Aryan Race), however, yet this video (though I do not agree with this video) must be studied in detail: THE ETERNAL JEW
Time for the Kashnmiri Brahmins to unite and move into the Valley. Just get organized and do it, rest is easy. The Kashmiri Pandits as I know them are intelligent and well built physically, they just need to organize themselves. All these slogans, etc. will bring no results time to act and if necessary fight it out for your rights. Then surely you will do it. Act as one the motive being to go back to your beloved Kashmir.
This is very accurate article and worth reading. Most Muslims today in Kashmir Valley are Kashmiri Hindus who took up Islam mainly via Sufis..
Kashmir’s Contribution to Indian Culture
by Dr. ( Mrs. ) Bimla K. Munshi
Some scholars in the Centre of Central Asian Studies of Kashmir University are probing in the direction of establishing the thesis that First man appeared in the Kashmir Valley. This has reference also to the Burzahom excavation and the remains of the so called pit-dwellers found there. All scientists agree that the earliest Homo Erectus named as Ramapithecus Panjabicus appeared in the Northern parts of India situated just south of Kashmir. In my opinion, all these facts point to the inescapable conclusion that Kashmir is the original home of the Aryans and that Aryan and Vedic Culture spread out to other parts of the country from Kashmir Valley itself. We should not forget that there was a time when Gandhar Pradesh ( present Afganistan and N. W. F. P. of Pakistan ) included Kashmir also. There are certain symbols and sacred things of Hinduism which were and are, found in Kashmir only. I mean to say that Kashmir Valley is the only place where all of them are found. Some of them are: Srichakra Fish ( Sacred as Matsyavatora and worshipped here even now ) Lotus ( connected with Brahma, Vishnu and Lakshmi ) Bhoorjva ( Bhoj-Patra on which ancient scriptures were etched ), Devadaru Tree, Kesar, Kustoori, Snow, The Snow white God Shiv ( Him-Rund-Endu-Karpur-Varna ), Mountains, Water, Nag and Sarp, (not only in Humun form ), Som ( it is being proved now that it was found in the mountains of Kashmir towards Sharada teerth ), Kesar Dhatura ( Used in Shiv Worship) and Kasturi these all have an essential place in our ancient traditions and also in present religious rituals.
The boat of Manu, when it was floundering in the floods of the Khand-Pralaya had found its final resting ground at a place called Manoravsarpan, which is situated in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir. Manu was the Adi Purush from whom sprang the modern human race and Kashmir was the place where the first human of the present civilisation originated.
The seals of the Sindh-Valley Civilisation have been deciphered and it has now been proved that they contain the picture of the Aryan God Shiv in Makhanasan Mudra. Foreign scholars have been trying to squeeze the Vedic, Ramayan and Mahabharat periods between 1500 B.C., (when Sindh Valley Civilisation was destroyed) to 600 B. C., to prove that the movement of Aryans had been from the west to the east, the time of Buddha ( 600 B. C. ) a historically confirmed fact. If the Sindh Valley civilisation is a vedic civilisation and/or it was destroyed earlier than 1500 B. C. then the movement of Aryans will be proved to have been from the East (from India ) to the west ( to Iran and other parts of Europe ). The creation of Vedas, their reduction into writing and the spread of their oral tradition, the spread of Aryan Culture to the eastern parts of India, the time-lag between the Vedic and Ramayana period, the Ramayan and Mahabharat periods, the Mahabharat and Buddha periods and the gradual evolution (or degeneration) of the Vedic language into Sanskrit, and of Sanskrit into Pali could not have taken place during only 900 years ( between 1500 B. C. to 600 B. C. ). Thus, when it has been proved that the Sindh Valley Civilisation is post Vedic ( not pre-vedic as some foreign scholars have been trying to project ), the movement of the Aryans had surely been from the east to the west and their original home was Kashmir. It is a different matter that more than 80% of the people of the Aryan stock in Asia are now muslims and they inhabit the areas of Kashmir, Pakistan, Afganistan and Iran.
There is another point of importance. The Jews who migrated from the city of Or to their present country of Israel in about 4000 B. C. have a mention of this movement in their scriptures but nowhere in the Vedas is a mention that the Aryan had come from anywhere outside India.
The Kashmiri language which is the only Apabhransha ( degenerate form ) of the Vedic language ( not of Sanskrit ) also proves that the original home of the Aryans was this sacred valley of Kashmir of noble traditions.
This is a very big subject to discuss, hence I am only listing below the other factors which prove that Kashmir has contributed to Indian culture more than any other ‘ Pradesh ‘ of the Country:
1) There is a tradition that Bhagwan Ramchandra had come to Kashmir in search of Devi Sita.
2) Lord Krishna himself had come to Kashmir to put on throne the widow ( Yashomati ) of the Kashmiri King defeated by him. There are hints in the Mahabharata that the forces of the King of Kashmir had taken part in great Indian war though they were on the side of the Kauravas, and that Takshak (Nag), who belonged to Kashmir later killed Raja Parikshit.
3 ) During the Buddhist period, Kashmir was a great centre of Buddhism and it was from Kashmir that this faith spread ( through Khotan) to China, Mangolia, Japan and Turkey (from where it was eliminated later). The last Buddhist Congress during the times of Kanishka was held in Kashmir.
4 ) Pantni the great grammarian of Sanskrit was also from Kashmir. Gandharadesh ( present Afganistan) and Kashmir were part of the same region in olden times.
5 ) It is a well known fact that even today the old Vedic rituals of marriages and Yajnas are followed only by the Brahmans of Kerala, Kashmir and Karnatak.
6) When Jagatguru Shankaracharya eliminated the impossible religion of Buddhism from India he came to Kashmir also. The Shankaracharya temple still stands as a monument of his visit.
7) After Takshila and Nalanda, the Centre of Sanskrit studies shifted to the Sanskrit University Brajbihara in Kashmir, which was, along with its huge library, later destroyed by Sikander Butshikhan.
8 ) A majority of the major poets and scholars of Sanskrit of India were Kashmiris: – Kalidas, Kshirswamin, Kalhan, Bilhan, Mammat, Anand Vardhan, Vaman, Kshemendra, Abhinav Gupta, Rojanak Shitianth and others. The first historically viable book of history in Sanskrit is Rajtarangini.
9) The Kashmiri Shaivism and Tantra Schools are also distinct contributions to the ethos of India. Even Vamachar is sort of a contribution of Kashmir to Indian rituals.
Thus Kashmir has been the home of Vedic Culture and religion, Buddhist faith, Sanskrit scholarship, Shaivism, Islam, Sufism ( Kashmiri Sufism is a little different from the Sufism which developed in other parts of the country ) and Sikhism
Thanks. A nice read.
This is absolutely correct the Aryan Race originates from Kashmir and her vicinity. Other races like Semites (Jewish-Arab) are Middle Eastern and the Negros are African and Mongols are from Mongolia, etc. Yes India along with Central Asia is the original home of the Aryan Race. Urge Kashmiri Pandits to unite and push things for their return to their beloved home.
The Pandits of Kashmir will survive and go back to their home Kashmir. They need howver to get their act together and team up. The Brahmins of Kashmir have more often followed the Bhagwad Gita and only married Kashmiri Brahmins. Thus this tiny of the tiniest community will survive. The Bhagwad Gita-On the destruction of a tribe the ancient virtue of the tribe and family is lost; with the loss of virtue, vice and impiety overwhelm the whole of a race. From the influence of impiety the females of a family grow vicious; and from women that are become vicious are born the spurious caste called Varna-Sankara. Corruption of caste is a gate of hell, both for these destroyers of a tribe and for those who survive; and their forefathers, being deprived of the ceremonies of cakes and water offered to their manes, sink into the infernal regions. By the crimes of the destroyers of a tribe and by those who cause confusion of caste, the family virtue and the virtue of a whole tribe are forever done away with; and we have read in sacred writ, O Krishna, that a sojourn in hell awaits those mortals whose generation hath lost its virtue.
There is no question or thought for family, lineage, gotra etc., only fulfillment of lusty desires. This is the common manner that so-called human society has diminished to in the present time. Consequently there are so many social ills occurring from such a situation as predicted in Bhagavad Gita (1:40-41) :
adharmaabhibhavaat krshna
pradushyanti kula-striyah
strishu dushshaasu varshneya
jaayate varna-sankarah
sankaro narakaayaiva
kula-ghnaanaam kulasya ca
patanti pitaro hy eshaam
lupta-pindodaka-kriyaah
“When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrishni, comes unwanted (inter-caste) progeny.” Leads to Varna-Sankarah
“An increase of unwanted (inter-caste) population certainly causes hellish life for both the family and for those who destroy the family tradition. The ancestors of such corrupt families fall down, because the performances for offering them food and water after death through ritual (pinda or shraddha) are entirely stopped.”
dosair etaih kula-ghnaanam
varna-sankara-karakaih
utsaadyante jaati-dharmaah
kula-dharmaash ca shashvataah
“By the inappropriate deeds of those who destroy the family tradition and thus give rise to unwanted (mixed caste, etc) children, all kinds of community projects and family welfare activities are wasted/ruined/devastated.”
Kashmiri Brahmins and most Muslim Kashmiris who have converted from Kashmiri Hindus are pure Central Asian Aryans, Thus Kashmiri Brahmins must only marry among themselves to maintain their pure ethnicity, culture,etc. Do not please become pseudo-westernized and get seduced by materialistic gains. Money is easy to make but if you lose your ethnicity all is lost. I respect your community and want it to survive in purity.
1) The Out of Africa theory of man is the greatest hoax of this century and is carefully planted. Clearly the oldest fossil is just the oldest fossil of the humanoid and not the first humanoid even a smart kid could figure that out! Besides what is hidden in the earth will never be totally figured out. Also older fossils found outside Africa are never highlighted. This is surely a politically planted theory for the agenda of some countries.
2) Now coming to the Aryan Race. The first mention of this great Race is found in Northwestern Indian subcontinent and Central Asia. Thus Aryans are indigenous to this region. Many Indians are Aryans and people of your area Kashmir are pure Central Asian Aryans. All who know David Reich will mention that he has an agenda. A Jewish gentleman he is pushing a concocted origin of the Aryans to get benefits from the gentiles. Besides, he knows how to cleverly fix data.
3) Are Aryans a Race? Yes indeed they are! Ram is Aryaputra and even your own Kashmir is referred by Kalhana as the crown of Aryavarta and the King Aryaraja (the Aryan king of the Aryans) is mentioned in the Rajataringini. Besides in Iran there exists: “ I am Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage.” Inscription of Darius the Great
at Naqsh-e- Rostam
Is Kashmir a problem for India? Not really. We need an educated and effective leadership in India to bring total peace to Kashmir and also liberate POK. Tiny Pakistan is supported significantly from outside and also backed by the Jewish supported China. India must use her large manpower to saturate the Valley and develop a solid spy network. Numbers and good training and weapons often win a war. Additionally India must continue to arm herself both in te nuclear and conventional manner. India now has a military edge over China and China has no genuine nuclear submarines and functional aircraft carrier. China has strong terms with the Jews thus has the most-favoured-trade-status from the USA.
Also as anticipated the Yehudi (Jew) by fraud is trying to Semitise Aryan Kashmir. That is make also globally Aryan people the children of Abraham. As is well known th Jews and Arabs are cousins are the children of the Semite Abraham.
Lalit S. Jamwal
P.S. Never ignore that during the Dogra-Rajput rule in Kashmir we had absolute peace. Also Kashmiri Brahmin kids must never marry outside their own clan if they do they are defying the Bhagwad Gita and the sacrifice of their elders. if they do this great Brahman community will be destroyed.
PLANTED BY THE YEHUDI (JEW) INVISIBLY IN THE NEWSPAPER THE STATESMAN: A threatened race
The Yehudi a crook is a Semite the son of Abraham like their cousins the Arabs. The Jew does not eat pork and circumcises and idol worship is blasphemy in Judaism.
The pure Aryan the Kashmiri Brahman is the descendant of Manu the first Aryan. Oh KPs keep the Jew out and follow your rituals and but never marry outside thus you shall survive. Note the Yehudi is now entered India ad started to destroy the system.
I have full sympathies with your clan. Since you are a determined and a solid people you are bound to survive and return to the most pretty place on planet earth that is Kashmir (India). But be cautious the Jews via multinationals want to make you extinct by outside marriages. Please do not oblige them. As the brilliant Pt. Anand Koul has mentioned rightfully Kashmiri Brahmins are pure Central Asian Aryans. Must Kashmiri Muslims today are converts from Kashmiri Hindus thus are also Central Asian Aryans. There is an effort to bring Alexander in this region by fraud. The Rajataringini makes no mention of Alexander or his troops in Kashmir region and Kalhana would have never have overlooked this if it was true. You are on solid cultural platform are the original indigenous Aryans. Michael Witzel.following his Jewish bosses claims that the Kashmiri Brahmins came from the mainland Indian subcontinent. This has a future implication for the Kashmiri Brahmins. In reality Kashmir is Central Asia and the Haraxvaiti,(Saraswati) river flowed originally from what is now Afghanistan. Note Afghanistan is a new term and this region was often a part of Greater Kashmir. Thus Kashmiri Brahmins stay put you shall survive in purity and also go back.
SOME WAKE UP NOTES TO YOU FROM A WELL WISHER INDIAN OF YOURS.
1) Organize yourself as a single unit show teamwork.
2) Maintain your time-tested rituals, traditions, language, etc. otherwise you all shall vanish.
3) You have survived in the region with self-respect and dignity which few would. Even the mighty Hindu Shahi Brahmins of Afghanistan vanished. Thus do not compromise your values.
4) Let not greed nor so called foreign pushed practicality make your young people marry outside otherwise no Kashmiri Brahmin will be here after a hundred years. So let not the sacrifice of your illustrious ancestors go in waste. Thus never marry outside your community this is also against the Hinduism as well.
5) Learn good things from all but do not take the bad of the West. The Jews circumcise, drink wine they are pushing this all over. Not our culture also the Jews want to change our dietary habits (of all Indians as well) like make us vegetarians since this suits their long term agenda.’
6) Multinationals are in they have a subtle agenda which only an experienced individual can make out. Youngsters more often are sitting ducks for these people! So the seniors have to be vigilant and show the proper path.
7) A final push and you will be in your beloved Kashmir. That should be your main aim and nothing else then you can achieve this goal.
I urge (like many of their well wishers) the Kashmiri Brahmins to unite and depend more on themselves. Most sensible Indians are with you. The leadership in India to a great degree has been indifferent thus force them to wake up. The challenge (which you shall surely beat) is to maintain your pure ethnicity, culture, and rich values. While be friendly to all also the Yehudis but be careful and trust no foreign element and only your brain in this case. The Yehudis (Jews) follow a Semitic religion thus have a strong agenda in India: They want Indians to be circumcised by planting fake data on the benefits of circumcision (a very cruel ritual) in the Indian media. They want to stop idol worship or worship of Agni in India, since these are against the Semitic traditions. The want Indians to drink wine since this is a Yehudi ritual. Wine drinking wine is surely not an Indian tradition. We Aryans drank Soma which never had any alcohol in it. The Jews tell us wine has antioxidants, Amla has more so why should we take the damaging alcohol? The Jews have had homosexuality legalized in India. Most homosexual leaders in the USA are often Jews linked to Indian origin people such as Urvashi Butalia. The Jews are pushing inter-marriage since they lack numbers and by mixing people they can have absolute control. In the end the Jews are working overtime to remove the word Aryan and Swastika from India but they cannot. Oh. Kashmiri Brahmins do not ever ignore the fact that many Indians back you in totality. So follow no one and go only by your own culture and brains.
KNOW YOUR HISTORY KASHMIRI BRAHMINS OTHERWISE ALL IS LOST! NOTE RECENTLY AN INDO-GREEK SITE WAS FOUND IN PESHAWAR. IT COULD BE A FRAUD BUT SENDS SIGNALS FOR THE FUTURE. SINCE AN EFFORT IS BEING DONE TO CHANGE THE HISTORY OF YOUR REGION FOR A FUTURE FOREIGN AGENDA.
I am from the Jammu region of J&K State a Dogra (your well wisher) and have this to say: These days there is a lot of fraud in archeology. Thus extreme caution must be exercised before we absorb any data. The British archeologists (though they did push the British agenda) quite often had a degree of credibility. Thus many foreign agencies could plant things for their respective agendas IN KASHMIR A STRATEGIC REGION. Thus only genuine honest experts (with a high degree of credibility) such as the late brilliant archeologist Viktor Ivanovich Sarianidi must be learnt from. The latter proved beyond doubt that the mighty Aryan Race was indigenous to Central Asia. Kashmir undoubtedly is a region of ancient Central Asia. The Macedonians and Greeks arrived much later than this period in regions of the Indian subcontinent. Besides the genuine result of the battle between Porus and Alexander is not known but Alexander then went no further into the Indian subcontinent. Besides later Seleucus was defeated by Chandragupta Maurya. Thus the Greeks were mainly in parts of what is Pakistani Punjab and parts of modern Afghanistan.
Indeed Indo-Greek kings did exist in Afghanistan etc. but Kashmir never did lose her suzerainty during that period. There is enough evidence for this. We do not even hear of Alexander in any of our ancient Kashmiri epics. Besides having studied Kalhan’s Rajataringini this author makes no mention of Alexander either. As is well known Alexander was extremely well known during his time. A credible historian such as Kalhan would surely have never ignored if Alexander had even come close to Kashmir!
Thus an effort to plant (by fraudulent data) Greeks or Semities (in this case Jewish) into the Kashmir Valley which has failed and will fail miserably. Semitic Islam arrived late into our region most Muslim Kashmiris today are just converts from Cntral Aryan Kashmiri Hindus.
Thus I urge you Kashmiri Hindus maintain a single front; maintain your great ethnicity and culture, and surely plan to move back into your motherland Kashmir (India). Jai Hind!
NOTE ADDED. Undoubtedly the Kashmiri Pandits are indigenous Central Asian Aryans and most Muslims of Kashmir are converts from from the Hindu Central Asian Aryan Kashmiris. Kashmir had a caste system since these Aryan Central Asian Hindus believed in the caste system. Many Muslims of the Valley are converts from Brahmins, many from from Wania (Wani). many from Tantrey (Tantrin), etc.
Though I am a Dogra from Jammu I have lived in the Valley. The paradox was that many Muslims (of the same blood as the KPs) turned on their own kin due to external propaganda. They surely lacked depth.
My beloved Kashmiri Brahmins (Pandits),
I have grown up with your community thus know you precisely. My suggestions to you as your firm supporter-
A) Unite and form a single front. Your population is genuinely less than 500,000 thus if you do not unite all your education, intelligence, etc. will serve no purpose.
B) Push for colonies in Kashmir. Ethnic colonies are found globally in most secular democracies. Most of you have sold your homes so how can one go back to the original home?
C) Concentrate on your main aim that is return to your beloved homes. There is no place either on our planet in any manner such as Kashmir. Also most Kashmiri Muslims today are converts from Kashmiri Hindu thus where is the divide except among the fanatics?
D) Also educate your youth properly. If due to greed, materialism, brainwashing by multinationals, particularly Jewish people, they marry outside it is genuinely against the Bhagwad Gita thus your community will vanish. Mixing shall be a disaster.
E) Get intelligently aggressive and concentrate on the genuine issue that is return.
F) Your ancestors lived a life of purity, learning, sacrifice and never got polluted stay that way.
G) Remember who you are always and never forget your roots. You all are Aryan Central Asian Saraswat Brahmins. Part of the Aryavarta included regions of what is Central Asia as of now. The genuine Saraswati (Haraxvaiti) was in a region of Central Asia near Kashmir. If we study the Rigvedic-Avestan Hymns. Avesta was completed in Central Asia while Rigveda in North-Western touching region of the Indian subcontinent. In fact this river in both epics is looked upon in a common (more commonly) Indo-Iranian view of a cosmic or mystical Sarasvati (Haraxvaiti) river. Thus the Saraswat Brahmins have a spiritual origin in Central Asia. The Kashmir Valley of today is in reality Central Asia.
India is now a formidable military power now the third strongest globally after Russia and the USA. The founding fathers were great and a great (probably the greatest global politician of her time) Kashmiri Pandit lady Indira Gandhi gave us open nuclear weapons in 1974 and made us thus invincible. Therefore tiny Pakistan could do nothing though it was backed by powerful countries. Furthermore Mr.. Vajpayee had the brains and guts to further demonstrate nuclear weapons and thus send an appropriate message to our enemies.
Now India can settle Kashmiri Pandits back in new colonies in Kashmir. We have a very good governor Satya Pal Malik in Kashmir. Kashmiri Brahmins must stay united and not fall prey to agendas and greed. The Jews have suddenly (they switch sides on a daily basis) started acting as our friends and are now using money to mix you as a part of their agenda. Thus the Kashmiri Pandit could vanish. Marry only in your own community. Most of you who love Kashmir (India) shall go back. Who does not like to live in a place as great as Kashmir? Be organized and objective it shall be done. Do not follow Farooq Abdullah though his immediate ancestor was Raghu Ram Koul, he has lost his roots. I am your well wisher.
Any individual who has a genuine sympathy for the Brahmins of Kashmir will mention that they should stay focused and their only aim should be now to return to Kashmir. Clearly Kashmir is not the Switzerland of the East but in reality Switzerland is no match for Kashmir. Also these days with information and other technology one is more comfortable in a pollution free and gorgeous environment such as in Kashmir than in Delhi, etc. Thus return is a win win situation. Thus stay focused only on one objective that is your return.
Also the govt. in the Center must immediately allocate land and bring back Kashmiri Brahmins and place them in well planned safe zones. Most great secular democracies have ethnic colonies. Also like some virtually blind people we should not get seduced and go overboard. Kashmir is today a part of India only due to Nehruji, Indira, Sastriji, etc. Today India is a great military power mainly due to the Congress Party which later went corrupt thus BJP in power. We must also thank Mrs. Indira Gandhi greatly that India today has emerged as a great power. During her tenure India fragmented Pakistan and blasted an advanced nuclear weapon in 1974 thus making India into an impregnable power. Other people built on it including Atalji, etc. Now India is a superpower and a confident land she can do what she desires. Thus we can act as we have got rid of any limitations in our defense. Yet we must use our power intelligently and bring peace and prosperity to Kashmir, and rapidly settle back the KPs back in the Valley.
If BJP remains intelligently aggressive absolute peace will come to Kashmir and also POK will be liberated. Some of the steps the BJP has taken have been necessary, though I have no BJP or Congress affiliations.
The Plain Truth: It was due the careful handling of Pandit Nehru that Kashmir remains today with India. When the Pakistani army and tribesman invaded in 1947-48 the then Jammu and Kashmir State these were commanded in the subtle manner by British Officers. The British were people of talent but were shrewd manipulators and were keen to create two states India and Pakistan so that a balance remained in Asia and thus the supremacy of the West was maintained. India was in no position to take on the Western powers in 1947-48 as any sane person will mention. However, due to Nehru’s influence on Sheikh Abdullah most Kashmiris backed India then and if a plebiscite was held then India would have surely won then. Moreover a clever Nehru after independence obtained the support of USSR and the latter protected India and vetoed all Western origin resolutions against India. Thus we could hold on to Kashmir during such a critical period, when we lacked the military, industrial, political might, etc. Most Indians (we are mostly loyal people) thus have great gratitude for the USSR-Russians. Today suddenly the Jewish lobby has arrived on the stage as loyal friends of India! While the same Jewish lobby earlier was working extremely hard (if one researches things) to terminate our nuclear and missile programs!
You Kashmiri Pandits must also stay vigilant since multinationals (mainly Jewish run) are trying to mix people (for the future Jewish agenda) by giving materialistic gains to the naive among the youth. Also ignore what foreigners and their Indian plants are telling you all you all are a pure Central Asian Aryan nation. Thus must retain your pure ethnicity, culture as this makes our great land colorful. Also your forefathers who have sacrificed much for the survival of your nation shall bless you. Thus you will prosper with your pure culture and ethnicity as a region of India.
Indeed this is the genuine history of the Kashmiri people-The Aryan Race is indigenous to Northwestern Indian subcontinent and some regions of Central Asia. The twin epics Rigveda-Avesta were compiled respectively in this region. The color of this Race was from light to brown depending mainly on the prolonged exposure to a certain climate. Thus most of us Indians are pure Aryans. See how the original indigenous Aryans look like from Gurez (Kashmir) India. These Kashmiri-Shina (very similar languages) speaking people are surely the original Aryans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOeroIunKzs Indeed these people are Kashmiris and Dards both cousins and Shina and Kashmiri very similar. Indeed the Aryan Race moved from this region and touching Central Asia eventually to Europe.
The mythological Sarasvati is Haraxvati of modern Afghanistan, thus part of the Greater-Kashmir region. It is also well-established (I do not blame them totally) that the Semites (Jews in this case) are rather insecure they do not like the word Swastik or Aryan and are often concocting data on the Kashmir, etc. region of the Indian subcontinent since the latter is the headquarter of the Aryan Race and Aryan scholarship.
For you Kashmiri Brahmins from an Indian Nationalist and your well-wisher. The time is close for you to go back to your home Kashmir. The Kashmir problem was external and created by some countries by using lilliputian Pakistan. India has now covered her basic defense needs and can take radical steps. Also the USA (quite rightfully) does not trust a Jewish backed China. If China does get genuinely strong one day they shall surely seize Taiwan. But this will now not occur in our life-time. Also China can not take on India now. Thus the job is done. We had wise founding fathers who laid a strong foundation and the results of this are now evident. They BJP has also made some additions to this. The large number of Indian forces must stay now in Kashmir for a few decades and immediate land allocated to Kashmiri Pandits, and they settled in safe-zones. I am sure many Kashmiri Pandits will return to their beloved home besides no place in this planet like Kashmir. Kashmiri Pandits must continue to marry Kashmiri Pandits and follow the Gita stringently. While people who have married outside due to Naivety of Goodies (materialistic gains) must not be treated badly but they will realize as things open up to them as to how great fools they have been! The Central Asian Aryan nation (both the Hindus and Muslims, the latter are mostly recent converts from Kashmiri Hindus) of Kashmiris will not only survive but flourish.
I admire you all for your intellect and your physical prowess. I mention focus on your immediate return nothing else. Let the govt. place you in a safe zone, You will then flourish. pretty quickly. DO NOT COMPROMISE YOUR CULTURE, ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE FOR SHORT TERM GAINES THAT WILL BE INDEED TRAGIC.
One point four billion Indians back you, however, you have to look for your own interests. Only one aim that you should have is that to go back to your beloved home Kashmir. The home of your forefathers since time immemorial. Also never marry outside. Few of you have married outside since your families came from remote areas of the Valley and did not know the caste system. As we all know Kashmir has only the Brahmin caste. The foreigners (mainly the Jews) want to make you vanish this is the blunt truth. Do not oblige them and retain your ancient ethnic purity. Outside marriage is blasphemy according to Bhagwad Gita. According to The Hindu newspaper only 5 percent Indians have married outside their caste and this will never increase any further. So move and keep our unity in diversity alive in India. Most Muslims in Kashmir are converts from Kashmiri Hindus,
I am from Jammu thus have this to mention: A tiny community: their genuine population ranges from 300,000 to 400,000. I have lived in Kashmir Valley thus know them pretty well. Their ethnicity is Central Asian Aryan and their contributions in many disciplines sizable. They lack numbers thus they have limitations. It is indeed overdue that the Govt. of India takes concrete steps to help them return to Kashmir Valley the crown of Bharat. Due to India’s military might (the contribution of Mrs. Indira Gandhi has been significant in this area) this is now achievable.
P.S. In the meanwhile the Brahmins of Kashmir must follow the Bhagwad Gita and never marry outside. Even in comparably newer cultures like the U.K. when Price Harry married a partial negro (not a derogatory term; since there is a a United Negro Culture, a United Negro fund, etc.) the Royal family has subtly kicked them out! So Kashmiri Brahmins retain your pure Central Asian Aryan ethnicity and culture. Hence do not get corrupt and materialistic and marry outside, this shall make you surely extinct.
‘Saw the trailer of Shikara. Some of my comments: The total population of the Kashmiri Brahmins is in the range of 400,000 thus the movie figures are pretty inaccurate. Many had earlier (before the advent of terrorism) left the Valley for better opportunities in other regions of India. Close to 150,000 were driven out of their homes by terrorists starting in late 1980s. The Indian Govt. must act and bring back these people rapidly to their beloved home Kashmir (Bharat). This is mainly the responsibility of the Government. Today Bharat has about one million troops in the Valley. That is one soldier for approximately 3.5 males. Though the physical and mental capabilities of these Central Asian Aryans (proud Indians) is second to none how can one anticipate such a tiny unarmed community to fight it out on their own! Besides tiny Pakistan (no match for the Indian colossus) is a front for other countries.
P.S. Also you proud Indians unite and see that the lazyGovt. of India reacta.
Oh Kashmiri Pandits systematically the history and culture of Kashmir is being distorted. Significantly the U.S. Jewish Lobby is behind this and bringing amateur historians to plant data. Kota Rani was a very brave, noble and cultured lady. She rather than marry Shahmir (her servant) committed suicide. People like Walter Slaje an Aryan-German is being used by Semitic-Jews to concoct the history of Kashmir. Zulcha was not a Mongol but the Jews want to make him by fraud Mongol for their future agenda. Most people including Chadurah refer to him as a Turk. No Mongol invasion of Kashmir occurred and the Mughals (a Mongrel tribe of Mongols and Central Asians) entered Kashmir by deceit.
Accidentally stumbled on this site. Lived and grew up with some KPs in Midnapore. Surely these people are proud Indians and proud KPs. India is the most diverse nation on this planet. We want them to survive with their pure ethnicity. Many of them due to never being outside the Valley do not understand the caste system.They should continue to marry in their own caste. Since they are naive of the Indian social system a KP boy from my neighborhood married a barber caste lady! This is rarest of the rare. Let them respect all castes but marry in their own, since due to this a rich tradition India is solid diverse land which mostly follows the Bhagwad Gita . on marriage.
I wish this community all the luck. They are surely less than 500,000 and have survived due to their intelligence with self-respect and dignity in an area where few would survive. Let all the people of India back these great Indian nationalists in returning back to their home Kashmir as soon as possible. They clearly make evident the great diversity of our great land India and thus will, and must survive in pure ethnicity, culture, etc. The nationalism (of Kashmiri Brahmins) towards India is second to none though they do unfortunately have few elements (I stress very few) such as Nitasha Koul, Chitralekha Zutshi, etc. who are working for foreign powers and not for India or their community. In any case both do not reflect the Kashmiri Brahmins or India. Both are also no intellects with poor oratory in English. I thus urge all Indians to rise and back these solid Indian nationalists (Kashmiri Pandits) in returning to their heavenly home Kashmir.
It is overdue for Shri Modi to immediately bring back the Kashmiri Pandits to their beloved home Kashmir. Most Indians back this. By now India has also the military might to achieve this. No more talking but action. All of us who have some brains are indebted to Indira Gandhi, a person from your tiny community, for making her beloved India a genuine military superpower.
When I observe how illiterate (across all party lines) and followers of foreigners our present leaders are I salute Mata Durga Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi. A summary of her achievements in one life time-
She taught China a solid lesson in Nathu La, etc.
he fragmented Pakistan while the backers of Pakistan could do nothing. China slowly ran with its tail between its legs while the USA was unable to react.
She blasted an advanced nuclear bomb in 1974 that too a Plutonium-239 one.
Sikkim was brought to her mother Bharat.
Siachen was seized.
Agni, Prithvi, etc. missiles were made a priority.
In the 1971 War some parts of POK were seized and brought back to the motherland India. She could have proceeded further to Peshawar had not the USA clearly made it evident that they would directly intervene. Naturally Indiraji is hated by Jews and their followers.
When she lost elections as a true believer in democracy she stepped down.
Today illiterate-corrupt politicians in India are busy sending their kids (by looting India) to Europe and USA for education.
In the end India is slowly becoming a follower via the U.S. Jewish Lobby. Also we must keep a distance from China (that is where Sars and Corona originated), we must also not absorb all the data on China which their Jewish backers are placing in the media. Naturally Nancy Pelosi loves China.
P.S. If the present government works hard and achieves one tenth of what Indiraji achieved we all Indian nationalists shall be delighted. Go for it bring the KPs back.
Beh te Chaseve Kashur thow cheh meoine khandan. I am a Kashmiri Muslim and once I saw your site was deeply touched. We are both (you Buttas and we Muslims) of one clan. No one can deny we Muslims are mostly converts from Kashmiris Hindus. In fact my family name shows Butta origin. It is time both we Muslims and Hindus cooperate and make Kashmir again blossom? After all not all Muslims of Kashmir are fanatic. Let us frustrate the divisive forces many internal some external (such as the Jews) who want to create a rift between us who have all in common except religion. Even the Sikhs living in the Valley must be respected even though they are of non-Kashmiri ethnicity arrived from Jammu and Punjab they have been in the Valley for some time. Let Kashmir our beloved land blossom and you all return. We welcome you.
appreciate your gesture.
These are Kashmiri Pandits proud Kashmiris yet loyal to Bharat. I must describe them since I studied with many of them. Such small are their numbers that they can only be observed under an Electron microscope! Most Kashmiri Muslims today are converts from Kashmiri Hindus thus more often their bonds are very strong. We must selectively get rid of the criminal terrorists and immediately bring back all Kashmiri Pandits to their beloved Kashmir. What they lack is numbers and the physical and mental aptitude of these people is next to no one on our planet. We all know them as intellects few know that the greatest wrestler ever Gama Butt came from a converted family of Kashmiri Pandits and Pandit Col. Ayodhya Prasad was one of the finest commanders of Maharaja Ranjit singh. They are survivors and will flourish in Kashmir and maintain their pure ethnicity. May Mahadev protect and bless them. All of Bharat is with these brave and loyal souls. Bharat will never forget Bharati.
Deeply pained to see the video of the slain Sarpanch Bharati on the net. What a great nationalist. I am a Dogra from Jammu and having lived in Kashmir have seen when Kashmiriyat flourished. Most Muslims in the Valley are converts from Kashmiri Hindus. These terrorists are the enemies of humanity. The Kashmiri Brahmans are tiny a sub-atomic community thus even though honestly their physical and mental capabilities are extraordinary they lack numbers. Was in tears to see this brave girl the daughter of a Lion. Indian government has a huge number of troops in the Valley why can they not protect this tiny community and bring most back? The Govt. of India cares only for sending the stupid children of corrupt politicians abroad and not protecting its citizens.
We Kashmiris are one and have to be proud of our past then we shall have a great future. Thus teach the kids the rich Kashmiri language. If the new generation does not know the Kashmiri language it is over for us be assured. These days many of the Kashmiri youth though intelligent have poor teachers the result is catastrophic. it is very easy to learn and also know Kashmiri language. It is a Daradic tongue (Kashmiris are not Darads but Aryans and also Aryan Dardas are our cousins). The Kashmiri language originates from a proto-Aryan language. Both Sanskrit and Persian came out of this mother language as well in Central Asia and touching Northwestern Indian subcontinent. Most of us Muslims in the valley are converts from Central Asian Aryan Hindus of different castes. Kashmir Valley is actually Central Asia. Aas chey asventh goda Buttas (our family are converts from Buttas that is Kashmiri Brahmins). The link between the first Aryans, Avetan-Persian speaking people (they were from Central Asia) and their cousins Rigvedic speaking people. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20170406-this-obscure-religion-shaped-the-west
Thus the Kashmiri language is linked to Avestan-Sanskrit and has picked up some Semitic words when our beloved Islam arrived in Valley via Sufis. It remains a Daradic language related to Shina, Kalasha language, etc. Let us not mix Religion and Race that is an objective analysis.
I add. A genuine well brought up Kashmiri is very cultured (be it we Muslims or our Pandit brethren) and thus hates no one though they might not prefer everyone. I mention this with all honesty and no hesitation; the Jew does not like an Aryan Kashmiri, an Aryan German, an Aryan Iranian, etc. This become very clear in my travels in North America..
By just living in Kashmir can never make one a Kashmiri. It is the ethnicity, language, culture, etc. since time immemorial. It is for this reason that genuine Kashmiris rarely marry outside or will ever marry outside irrespective of all the materialistic benefits offered. In rare cases some have married outside often who had some family reputation problems or got baited. Thus the nation of Kashmir will survive in purity. Most of us Kashmiris (we Muslims and Hindus) will only continue to marry among Kashmiris irrespective of the multinationals and Jews (for their agenda) who are trying to mix us and thus make the great Kashmiri nation extinct. We are an ancient people with ancient history thus shall survive.
Beh chus fulehan asal Kashur (Butta) khander wuchith. Most of us we Kashmiri Muslims and Pandits have the same ethnicity., culture, language, etc. Thus am often delighted to see traditional Kashmiri marriages. Few Kashmiris have married outside; these are the rare pseudo-westernized ones. Besides the Jewish Lobby via multinationals is trying to mix people and they have surely targeted our small nation of Kashmiris to make us extinct! But succeed they will not. The Jews have found in the Punjabi (not all but many) a similar creature like themselves, that is materialistic and loose, a Punjabi often (not all) will marry any one. The more often dark-skinned Punjabi is being made as an example (by Jews) and fake photographs of Kashmiri girls displayed with Punjabis and other people. To screw up the heads of our youth. Thus we must keep our culture intact and only marry Kashmiris. MAY ALLAH BLESS AND PROTECT ALL KASHMIRIS.
Please note (I as a Kashmiri have no prejudice) but the Jews have entered India and are busy in a subtle manner creating a rift between Kashmiris and our Aryan cousins the Iranians. Indeed, there is lot of similarity between the Kashmiris and Iranians and also their language is similar since both are Indo-European languages and both Aryan people. But note also Iran is very far from Kashmir. It is well established that two Aryan nations split in Northwestern Indian subcontinent and touching Central Asia from a proto-Aryan nation and linguistic groups into the Avestan-Aryans, and Rigvedic-Aryans. The Kashmiri people are linked directly to the proto-Aryan people thus our language is related to the common mother language of the Rigvedic-Aryans and Avestan-Persians. Iran is very far from Kashmir and the Tajik Persian has more in common with the Kashmiri language. Thus ignore what the Jewish media is planting. I do agree Kashmiri language has picked up few Semitic words after our beloved Semitic Islam arrived in the Valley. But these are few and Kashmiri remains a proto-Aryan (Indo-European) language. A nice article which most experts appreciate: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20170406-this-obscure-religion-shaped-the-west
P.S. An authentic discovery of an Aryan site not far from Kashmir. Note the Turks are not Aryan but in this place the Aryans no different ethnically, linguistically from us Kashmiris lived in the past. Our beloved Semitic-Islam is a late arrival into Kashmir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVlO7_w6JRA&t=22s
KASHMIRI LANGUAGE- If we Kashmiris (We Muslims and our Pandit Kin) do not teach our kids Kashmiri we shall surely become extinct! Thus wake up. Scientific analysis: What is the Kashmiri language? It is an Aryan (Indo-European) Dardic language. After our beloved Semitic-Islam arrived in the Valley it has picked up some Semitic-Words. t is no secret that Kashmir is Central Asia and the Aryan Race originated in Northwestern Indian subcontinent and touching Central Asia and then moved from there to other regions. Thus the Kashmiri language is linked to the mother proto-Aryan language of Rigvedic-Sanskrit and Avestan-Persian. Indeed close to the Kalasha language. Also Kashmir was a great center of learning we Muslim Butts are converts to the great Islam from Kashmiri Hindu Brahmins (Butts). This was via the great Sufis. That is why all genuine Kashmiris (We Muslims and our Pandit brethren) look typical Aryan Central Asian.
ADDITION TO MY EARLIER POST. WE KASHMIRI MUSLIMS AND YOU KASHMIRI PANDITS MUST SHOW TEAMWORK. This is the continuation of my earlier post. Some foreigners (mainly Jewish) are trying to create a chaos in our language, culture, etc., but they are novices and will fail. They are trying by fraud to link Kashmiri with Turkish. Turkish is a non-Aryan (Indo-European) language. Kashmiri is a Dardic language linked to the parent proto-Indo-European language from which the twins Rigvedic-Sanskrit and Avestan-Persian emerged in Northwestern Indian subcontinent and touching Central Asia. Modern Turkish has picked up some Indo-European words from Persian. Pure Turkish has no relationship with Kashmiri. Salam (Shalom) is a Semitic greeting. After Islam arrived in Turkey and other regions like Kashmir this Semitic (Jewish-Arab) greeting and other words were picked up. Few Semitic words are to be found in Kashmiri due to the influence of our beloved Semitic Islam but Kashmiri remains a pure Aryan (Indo-European) language. The Jewish lobby wants to Semitize Aryan nations racially but cannot. Most Kashmiris now follow Semitic Islam like Iran but are also proud Aryan Race members like Tajikistan and Iran. Never ignore we Aryan Kashmiris fought the Turks and often beat them. Islam teaches us to only look and follow the truth. Read also the genius Abu Rayhan al-Biruni on this.
This site is doing a fantastic job in highlighting our cause. Many foreign and internal forces with an agenda do not want the total return of the Kashmiri Pandits to their beloved home the Kashmir Valley. We are an ancient and determined people thus will surely frustrate these devilish forces.The Pandit children should be taught Kashmiri and speak this language at home. This is the key component for the survival of not only Kashmiri Pandits but also our Kashmiri Muslim baraders. Also note many lobbies want the Kashmiri people (both we Hindus and Muslims) to become extinct by creating a confusion. Thus from time to time such people plant fake data into our history. Take for example the crooked Rosemary Victoria Schofield plants false data that Kashmiri Brahmans arrived in the Kashmir Valley in about the 7th century AD. This is one of the greatest howlers ever; meant mainly to create a Hindu-Muslim rift in Kashmir. She should read the Rajataringini. The Pandits have been residing in the Valley since time immemorial.Thus new fake data planted by authors is a usual phenomenon to create a confusion in the minds of the Kashmiris. But this is absolute stupidity, thus shall never work.
Indeed you Kashmiri Brahmans (an extremely small community) have an ancient and rich tradition. Even the great Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s key advisors and commanders such as Dina Nath, Col. Ayodhya Prasad, etc. were Kashmiri Pandits. I play tennis and now Ankita Raina (though heavily tanned due to the very harsh weather conditions in Gujarat) is a pure Kashmiri Pandit from your community. As such sports people like Gama Butt (his family were recent converts from Kashmiri Brahmans), Geeta Zutshi, etc., were of Kashmiri Brahman stock. Yes continue to marry in your own community though few people will always not follow traditions. I live in the Boston area and recently a Kashmiri Brahman lady married a person from a family of Ganjawala (Ganja that is Cannabis sativa is legal in many states in India. Thus many families trade in this and Ganjawala means a trader in this), this would shock most Indians in India. However, such things occur in the USA and many regions which are full of Jewish people such things are more often common. The Jews are more often liberal and have great influence. Thus such rare events in different cultures are anticipated. But in India like most of you all most people continue to stick to our rich ancient culture. DO SURVIVE IN PURITY OF ETHNICITY, CULTURE, ETC.
All genuine Indians (not outsiders and their agents using pseudo names to sway the opinion),fully support the Kashmiri Pandits since this atomic community is greatly nationalistic. Why has Modi still not brought them back so far? This is long overdue and must be done immediately. Let us not give excuses and keep delaying this. I hope the Kashmiri Pandits (have woken up) are aware for their (foreign agenda in Kashmir) future agenda many foreign elements want this community to become extinct and lose its ethnicity. Once an individual from any community (more so tiny) marries outside they lose their identity and extinction is a certainty. :Let all of us Indians not get blinded by goodies coming from outside and lose our culture and ethnicity. Besides these goodies are nothing in comparison what those outsiders have who are using money to make this tiny community of Kashmiri Brahmans slowly and extinct. But all who know this community are certain this community will survive in ethnic purity. The Kashmiri Muslims who have the same roots as the Kashmiri Pandits must give full support to their kin and the Kashmiri Pandits who still have quite a bit of influence outside Kashmir must aid the Kashmiri Muslims. True Kashmiriyat.
Please do consider me your well-wisher: Organize your self as a single unit then push for entry into your home Kashmir Valley. My people have great sympathy for your people and your loyalty, and love for Bharat. One of the best ministers of Maharaja Ranjjt Singh was the Kashmiri Pandit, Raja Dinanath who stood by Rani Jindhan even when the Kingdom of Maharaja Ranjit Singh had disintegrated. Also one the best commanders of Maharaja Ranjit was Pandit Col. Ayodhya Prasad a Kashmiri Pandit.
Maintain your ancient culture and ethnicity. Like us Jats you people should continue to never marry outside. Also note an effort is being made by foreigners to change the ethnicity of this region. Most Kashmiris (most Muslims in the Valley are recent converts from Kashmiri Hindus) are Central Asian Aryans. Foreigners are trying to change the ethnicity of this region by fraud (by paying money, etc.) into Macedonians, Greeks, Albanians, etc. Alexander never entered this region and he fought Maharaja Porus at the Jhelam region which is now in Pakistan. Who lost or won no honest person can comment on and what is known for sure after this Alexander went no further into the Indian subcontinent and retreated. Besides the classic of Kashmir makes no mention of Alexander. Remember Rajataringini is extremely credible. I have studied this in depth. Also Aryan mummies pre-dating Alexander by several millennia have been found near this region. Some Semites are also trying to Semitize this Aryan region by fraudulent data but they can not. Thus retain your pure ethnicity and culture and yet move ahead. , .
Dr. Grewal indeed inter-caste marriage, etc. in the genuine Bhagwad Gita is blasphemy. These days the Gita is being changed by certain foreigners (all people of vision know who they are and why they are trying slowly to fine tune the Gita for their future agenda, The British since they have honor never attempted this), thus only the Bhagwad Gita the Gorakhpur version must be followed. About 5 percent Indians so far have married outside their caste or with outsiders, the results more often are as predicted in the Gita, “On the destruction of a tribe the ancient virtue of the tribe and family is lost; with the loss of virtue, vice and impiety overwhelm the whole of a race. From the influence of impiety the females of a family grow vicious; and from women that are become vicious are born the spurious caste called Varna-Sankara. Corruption of caste is a gate of hell, both for these destroyers of a tribe and for those who survive; and their forefathers, being deprived of the ceremonies of cakes and water offered to their manes, sink into the infernal regions. By the crimes of the destroyers of a tribe and by those who cause confusion of caste, the family virtue and the virtue of a whole tribe are forever done away with; and we have read in sacred writ, O Krishna, that a sojourn in hell awaits those mortals whose generation hath lost its virtue. There is no question or thought for family, lineage, gotra etc., only fulfillment of lusty desires.”
I request all Kashmiri Pandits to form a single front and push the Modi government to aid us in moving immediately back to our beloved home Kashmir. Slogans have no meaning now and it is overdue that we act. Let us maintain our ethnicity, culture, language and traditions, and yet move ahead. Ignore propaganda from outside in order to marginalize us, this is what a genuine pure Kashmiri Pandit is all about: George Campbell a genuine-credible expert mentioned, “The Kashmiri Brahmins are quite high-Aryans in the type. Their features are very fair and handsome, with high chiseled features, and no trace of inter- mixture of blood of any lower race. It may be partly race and partly occupation, but they have certainly greater refinement and regularity of features than the Afghans and other less Aryan type. The high nose, slightly aquiline, but by no means what we call Jewish or nutcracker, is a common type. Raise a little the brow of a Greek statue, and give the nose a small turn at the bony point in front of the bridge, so as to break the straightness of line, you have then model type of this part of India, to be found in living men and the statues dug up in the Peshawar valley. The figure of the ordinary Kashmiri Pandit is strong and athletic.”
Most Kashmiri Muslims are recent converts from Kashmiri Hindus. Thus the crafty Jew by planting fake data can not Semitize the Aryan Race of Kashmir by fraud nor link us to the Mongols. Also Kashmir never suffered a Mongol invasion. Besides in the Rajataringini the people with Mongol features are referred to as Butthas. Thus the Kashmiri Brahmin is a pure Aryan, Not a Semite, Not a Mongol, Not a Negroid, Nor an Australoid, nor of a mixed Race.
You chaps are doing a fine job and your site is genuinely an open one for all views. At this period in our history it is necessary that we the Muslims of Kashmir and you our Pandit brothers, and sisters unite. There is no controversy most Kashmiris are pure Central Asian Aryans and many recent converts to a great Semitic-religion Islam from Kashmiri Hindus via mainly the Sufis. Thus the Pandits and us Muslims of Kashmir are the same people. In fact the epic Rajatarangini describes the looks of genuine Kashmiris. Today the Valley has many non-Kashmiris all wonderful people such as the Wattals, Hanjis, Sikhs, etc. The nice Sikhs came recently from the Punjab and Jammu. The Yehudi Bernier describes the Kashmiris as such, ” The people of Kachemire (Kashmir) are proverbial for their clear complexions and fine forms. They are, as well made as Europeans, and their faces have neither the Tartar flat nose nor the small pig-eyes that distinguish the natives of Kacheguer (Kashgar), and which generally mark those of Great Tibet.”
P.S. While a true Muslim is genuinely never full of prejudice or racism but I agree the Jews (who are often insecure) try to create a chaos to push their agenda, and try by fraud to change history. But truth prevails thus such people fail.
Shuren hesneve kasur karun. Teach you children to speak Kashmiri first. This is for us Kashmiri Pandits and our Kashmiri brothers the Muslims. If we lose our language no more are we Kashmiri. Most Muslim Kashmiris in the Valley are converts from Kashmiri Hindus, though a divide is created by foreigners and their plants in India. Know Kashmiri? Kashmiri is a Dardic tongue (Kashmiris are not Dards but Dards are our cousins) which is linked to the proto-Aryan (Indo-European) language from which Rigvedic Sanskrit and Avestan Persian originated. Some people (mainly the Jewish lobby) is trying to create a confusion and try to do by false data make Kashmiri linked to Turkish language (a non-Aryan people and non-Aryan language). Arabic (a Semitic language), etc. Like all languages spoken Kashmiri has picked up a few alien words but pure Kashmir remains a absolutely pure Aryan (Indo-European) language. Thus all Kashmiris be proud of our great language and history. Some brainwashed (semi-educated Kashmiris) who want to make themselves Semitic (Jewish-Arab), or Turkiosh, etc. are the laughing stocks globally including the confident Semitic Arabs. We are thus pure Central Asian Aryans and Kashmir is Central Asian region of Bharat which is distinct from the rest of India yet close to the Chitral, Hunza, etc. ares of Shina speaking people.
Indeed,I am intrigued by your tiny community. Also Maharaja Ranjit Sandhu had many Kashmiri Brahman advisors such as Pandit Dinanath who was his key advisor remained loyal (to the Sikhs) till his very end. Col. Ayodhya Prasad was one of the best commanders of the Maharaja. Besides it was again a Kashmiri Brahman Pandit Birbal Dhar who advised and gave information so that the Maharaja could succeed in annexing Kashmir. Like any community you all must be cautious. That is maintain your pure ethnicity, culture, traditions language, etc. We Sikhs rarely if marry outside our caste like you people. Recently (I have noted) few Kashmiris (both Muslims and Hindus) have become materialistic and have married outside, there is surely a foreign hand involved in this. One Kashmir Muslim lady from a distinguished family has married a Negro (I use the word Negro since it is not a derogatory term; there is the United Negro College, United Negro Fund, etc.), also one Kashmiri Pandit lady has wed a Negro. It is pretty clear who arranged this. We Sikhs respect all people and religions but like most of you will never marry outside. Kashmiri Pandits are tiny in our diverse country if you people mix and lose your pure ethnicity it shall be a pity. Thus maintain your pure ethnicity and respect your lineage, your forefathers and traditions. You all are bound to survive in ethnic purity but never drop your guard when educating your youth. Best of luck from a person who is pretty familiar with you people.
We are an ancient people. Probably the tiniest community on this planet. Recently some of our youth (mainly influenced via multinationals) particularly the ones who are not well educated have started to marry outside for goodies (peanuts) thus they are setting an unhealthy trend to make our distinguished community extinct. While these numbers are not as great so far as they give the impression of yet it is a dangerous situation. It is also sacrilege according to the genuine Bhagwad Gita. A fake new version of the Gita is being planted in India from outside our borders for the agenda of a certain ‘Chosen People’ in India. The K.P. parents must give the youth a deep thorough education and not let them become fake-westernized. Note also the British a highly enlightened people have been forced to (though subtly) throw out Prince Harry for marrying Meghan Markle (who is of half-Negroid Race). Harry has also lost much of his inheritance and is now working as commoner in the USA. I respect all Races but God has made variety and every Race has a right to survive in purity. Besides the British are proud Aryans (Indo-Europeans) as well and this Race has its origins from Northwestern Indian subcontinent (of which our beloved Kashmir Valley is a part) and touching region of Central Asia. Let us keep the Kashmiri Pandit ethnicity, culture, values, etc.absolutely pure.
Randomly I discovered your site. Thus researched things and was fascinated by your community. I am a Hasidic Jew who is interested in the globe. We Jews are pure Semites (the children of Abraham like our cousins the Arabs) thus have a rich tradition. You Kashmiri Pandits belong to a totally different group that is you all are pure Aryans like the Germans, Iranians, etc. We followers Hasidism have retained our genetic, cultural, religious, etc purity. Any one who marries outside is thrown out without any hesitation. Many Jews have become greedy, decadent, and marrying anyone (like most of Punjabis in the Indian subcontinent) for money, jobs, etc. but never us. We have maintained the pure core of our civilization. I see the Kashmiri Pandits, other Pandits, Kshatriyas. Jats, etc. not only maintaining their ethnic purity but also culture. Thus India should remain an unpolluted civilization etc. Your community is tiny thus will be challenged but observing what I could from reading they shall survive like us. Ignore most of the Jews and their likes the Punjabis to prosper.
Dear Mister Yehudi. While I respect the Jews but most Jews are insecure. Thus resent us Kashmiris since we have Central Asian Aryan ethnicity. Via multinationals and Jewish media if the Jews have their way no genuine pure Kashmiri (whether we Muslims or Pandits) will be left. But to the delight of the Jew a new mongrel race shall emerge. But we shall not let this happen come what may.
We must respect our elders and follow our time-tested values and culture. Let us not follow the stone-age customs which, multinationals are imposing cleverly on our youth. Even the Semitic traditions (that is Jewish in this case) of dating, free-sex, circumcision, wine-drinking, no consumption of pork, etc., are slowly and surely being pushed on us but they will never succeed. To avoid such gruesome acts (which must not be condoned) follow your experienced parents. In my family all have married in the same clan with the consent of elders. Thus great and solid marriages: https://english.press24.in/2021/07/29/the-full-story-of-the-daylight-murder-of-a-dalit-panchayat-officer-who-married-a-brahmin-girl-ground-report-from-gorakhpur/
Deeply pained by the brutal murder of a fellow Kashmiri Mr. M.L. Bindroo. I am a proud Muslim and also a proud Kashmiri. These rascals have killed their own. Most of us Kashmiris today who follow Islam have Kashmiri Hindu background. For example as my name clearly indicates I am of Kashmiri Pandit background. Bindroosaeb Koor Cheh Asal Kasure. His daughter is fearless, intelligent, noble, tolerant and wise; a genuine Kashmiri. Most love her and she will surely only marry a Kashmiri Pandit. I was recently in North America while most Kashmiris are marrying only Kashmiris (as anticipated) a few are marrying outside, these are the pseudo-westernized and brainwashed ones. Few Kashmiri women are even dating and drinking wine. Fortunately this trend will not pick up.
I lived in Kashmir for a couple of months in the early 60s. Never missed my home UK. I wish peace in the region enjoyed great meat dishes in Kashmiri marriages. I have sympathy for all Kashmiris (Muslims and Hindus, in any case Muslims are more recent converts from Kashmiri Hindus) and do not want the Kashmiri nation to become extinct particularly a very tiny minority the noble and enlightened Kashmiri Pandits. My advice to Pandits since I believe in the protection of diversity-
HAVE MORE CHILDREN. IGNORE ECONOMICS THINGS SHALL WORK OUT.
ONLY MARRY KASHMIRIS
SOME KASHMIRI PANDIT WOMEN WHO ARE GETTING OLD AND HAVE MISSED EARLY MARRIAGE (DUE TO TURMOIL) FREEZE YOUR EGGS.
Your blog is an eye-opener. Indeed Kashmiris we Muslims and you Pandits are precisely the same people in every manner except our religion. We must move ahead but never compromise our ethnicity, culture, values, language, etc. Recently our neighbor sent his son to Canada to study. This naive individual was lured by some people to marry an outside girl. The parents of this boy have disowned him and the girl is as anticipated quite dark for us Kashmiris. This girl now uses bleach but the parents of the boy made it clear that even if he had married a fellow Aryan a German he would still have been disowned. I think this is a good example for the Kashmiri youth and tells the youth how a normal Kashmiri feels.
It is very sad that the government had done nothing for Kashmiri pandits. And indeed your article was amazing
Wo maximum converts hai, isliye Hindu Surnames hai
Heartfelt condolences… Instead of protesting and blaming government, they have to unite and take actions like providing information to government about the people involved in such terrorist activities. If people there have caught that person instead of allowing to leave. You have to fight against such people. Government can’t give security to each individual. It is next to impossible. Current situation is better than in past. Situation will not improve over night. Hindus have to come out strong and protect themselves.
ADVICE FROM A JAT TO THE BRAHMANS OF KASHMIR. Follow the genuine Bhagwad Gita (not a fake one planted in India by foreigners) and only marry Kashmiri Brahmans. If you get mixed it is over for you all and the Gita is correct on this. I have admiration for you all since like us Jats most of you only marry in your own clan. Mixing is a disaster. Since you numbers are extremely small the government should place you all in secure zones in the Valley. Breed and multiply. Let some Kashmir Brahman youth be armed by the Center. They I am sure will do very well since they have good mental and physical capabilities. The Govt. must provide the youth of this community physical and economical protection as well. Do not follow the West and Bollywood blindly. Note what a Parsi brother is telling us. A very wise advice: http://tenets.parsizoroastrianism.com/inter5.html